Harry And Voldemort...The Relationship?, Spoiler, watch out! Options

[meowmix06]

Did no one else seem to get that both Voldemort and Harry are "distant" relatives to the Peverells. In book six, Voldemort's grandfather is showing the black stone ring to the Ministry person and said that they are direct desendants of him. In book seven, page 714: "The Cloak, as you know now, traveled down to Ignotus's (Peverell) last living descendant, who was born, as Ignotus was, in the village of Godric's Hollow." Dumbledore smiled at Harry. "Me?" "You. You have guessed....". So, obviously this would mean that both Harry and Voldemort were related to the Peverells. Which by all means, I'm sure everyone is "somewhere" related along the lines. But, JKR actually proves that they both have descended from Perverells. I'm not sure whether or not Peverell was any relation to Salazar Slytherin, although I'm assuming he must have been since only one of Voldemorts parents had any magical connection. But in book 2, Harry is told he is not an heir of Slytherin. I'm not sure if all of this is accurate or even makes sense. Anyone else have thoughts on this?


Also, totally different discussion topic: Book 7 page 384 "I knew this was it," said Ron. "I grabbed my stuff and packed it, then I put on my rucksack and went into the garden. "The little ball of light was hovering there, waiting for me, and when I came out it bobbed along a bit and I followed it behind the shed and then it...well, it went inside me." Page 396: "It's weird, being this near, but not going to visit," said Ron. "Well, it's not like you haven't just seen them. You were there for Christmas," said Hermione coldly. "I wasn't at the Burrow!" said Ron. Anyway, the point is, the chapter before he's talking about being in his room, going out to the garden and then by the shed. Now, the Shell Cottage he said he went to did have a garden, but they didn't say anything about a shed. So, is it a mistake or just something stupid that I overlooked?

[mollyweasley]

first thing - I had to edit your topic title. The reason is, all topic titles are visible to any member when they use the "VIEW NEW POSTS" thread and that one was a bit of a spoiler just in the title. Hope I picked something similar to what you wanted.

Second - I am not sure that Marvolo Gaunt was really a descedant of the Peverells, or just assumed he was since one of his ancestors had the ring. As we see Umbridge do with the S locket, claiming to be a Selwyn, it would be typical of his type of wizard to claim relationships with prominent pureblood families. It is interesting to ponder. Maybe JK will answer that in an interview.

Third - I also noticed the bit about where Ron went. So I went back and reread it. I think either she intentionally misled us without really confirming the Burrow, OR she goofed a little but got away with it! Like you said, Shell cottage had a garden and could easily have had a shed.

[Herry]

The first question was also asked by Perseus_Evans, you could see here..

I'm also curious whether Voldermort was the descendant of the Peverells or not? But if he was, then Salazar Slytherin was also descendant of the Peverells.. It could be.. Or it could just simply after the second Peverell died, someone else took the ring.. Dunno.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

This post has been edited by Herry: Jul 30 2007, 12:59 AM

[Witherwings]

I'm also curious whether Voldermort was the descendant of the Peverells or not? But he it was, then Salazar Slytherin was also descendant of the Peverells.. It could be.. Or it could just simply after the second Peverell died, someone else took the ring.. Dunno.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

It's not the ring, it's the stone that matters. The stone could have been passed from generation to generation until Slytherin got it and put it in his ring. Or it could be that the stone found its way to Slytherin but not out of blood relation and then passed down the Slytherin family line.

[mollyweasley]

It could be that Marvolo was related to the Slytherin family and the Peverell family somewhere without Slytherin actually being related to Peverell.

For example my grandmother was a Cockrell and my other grandmother was a Cleckley, but the Cleckleys and Cockrells are not related. I could own a family treasure from both. (or, as I said before, Marvolo may not really be a Peverell. Owning the treasure wouldn't mean he had the blood.)

[KBell]

In Order of the Phoenix, when they are looking at Sirius' family tree he said "The pure-blood families are all interrelated", so I guess it's possible that lots of the characters were related to Voldermort.

[Witherwings]

It could be that Marvolo was related to the Slytherin family and the Peverell family somewhere without Slytherin actually being related to Peverell.

For example my grandmother was a Cockrell and my other grandmother was a Cleckley, but the Cleckleys and Cockrells are not related. I could own a family treasure from both. (or, as I said before, Marvolo may not really be a Peverell. Owning the treasure wouldn't mean he had the blood.)

I thought about this. Then I thought about the ring belonging to Slytherin which would rule that out. Then I questioned why we thought the ring was actually Slyterin's - we know the locket was, but was the ring? If it wasn't, it would change the whole possible relationship you just laid out. You may be 100% that the ring was not actually Slytherin's and that the ring was passed down the Peverell line until it reached the Gaunts, descendents of the Peverells and Slytherin.

EDIT (After Dateline Interview with JK): So, the blood in Voldemort was only meant as Voldemort's last chance to redeem himself. That's cool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Witherwings: Jul 29 2007, 06:57 PM

[Hermione@13]

In Order of the Phoenix, when they are looking at Sirius' family tree he said "The pure-blood families are all interrelated", so I guess it's possible that lots of the characters were related to Voldermort.

But Voldemort wasn't pure-blood. He was a half-blood, so maybe all half-blood warlocks are interrelated, also! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif) Unless, ofcourse, Voldemort and Harry's relatives that were pure-blood were all interrelated and that caused the descendants for the same.

[Witherwings]

But Voldemort wasn't pure-blood. He was a half-blood, so maybe all half-blood warlocks are interrelated, also! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif) Unless, ofcourse, Voldemort and Harry's relatives that were pure-blood were all interrelated and that caused the descendants for the same.

Half-bloods have pure-blood in them somewhere along the line

[Herry]

It's not the ring, it's the stone that matters. The stone could have been passed from generation to generation until Slytherin got it and put it in his ring. Or it could be that the stone found its way to Slytherin but not out of blood relation and then passed down the Slytherin family line.

Did you meant the ring and the stone as separate entity?

It could be that Marvolo was related to the Slytherin family and the Peverell family somewhere without Slytherin actually being related to Peverell.

For example my grandmother was a Cockrell and my other grandmother was a Cleckley, but the Cleckleys and Cockrells are not related. I could own a family treasure from both. (or, as I said before, Marvolo may not really be a Peverell. Owning the treasure wouldn't mean he had the blood.)

My conclusion is : If the ring and the stone was in fact two separate entities and what everybody said about pure blood are related one to another, then i have a theory.. Peverells inherited the stone and Slytherins inherited the ring.. Somewhere along the line, they related and became Gaunts and someone along the line someone joined the the ring and the stone as we knew now.. Just kidding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)

This post has been edited by Herry: Jul 30 2007, 01:08 AM

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Yes all pure bloods are related (I mentioned this in another topic I believe)

So, whilst Voldemort himself is not pure-blood his mother was. Harry also was not pure-blood (even though both his parents were magical he was still half-blood). But the Gaunts were a pure-blood family as were the Potters.

Therefore the Potters and the Gaunts were quite possibly at least distantly related. But remember this could be centuries and centuries ago. So they'd be like....very very distantly related. It's not a close relationship or we would have heard of it.

The Gaunt line wouldn't have wanted to (for lack of a better word) breed out of well obviously pure-bloods but I assume they would be more inline with the Blacks or the Malfoy's then the Potters.

[enara]

If Marvolo Gaunt (in the 6th book) was right and he was a descendant of the Peverell's, and that Harry was right of being related to another one of the Peverell brothers than that would make Voldemort, Harry's cousin a lot of times removed.
Sorry if that was painfully obvious but I just had to get that out.

[mollyweasley]

Well, JKR did confirm it in her chat this morning. She said that indeed they were both related to the Peverells, but it was distant. She mentioned that almost all wizarding families are related somewhere on the tree.
Here is the link to the chat - it is really informative.
http://www.harrypotterspage.com/forums/ind...mp;#entry133526


If you have never seen the full Black family tapestry, I would recommend you google it. Someone was allowed to study it on the set of OotP. Apparently, JKR let them use her notes to make it. Maybe it will be included somewhere in the HP theme park.

[baty4potter]

Well, JKR did confirm it in her chat this morning. She said that indeed they were both related to the Peverells, but it was distant. She mentioned that almost all wizarding families are related somewhere on the tree.
Here is the link to the chat - it is really informative.
http://www.harrypotterspage.com/forums/ind...mp;#entry133526
If you have never seen the full Black family tapestry, I would recommend you google it. Someone was allowed to study it on the set of OotP. Apparently, JKR let them use her notes to make it. Maybe it will be included somewhere in the HP theme park.

Speaking of Theme Park, wouldn't it be so cool if a bunch of us could get together at the Park when it's opened. I think it'd be soooo cool!!! :~)

[Hermione@13]

OMG! That would be so awesome! Not much of us live in Florida, though, but if we could do that then it would be cool! Like chatting in a live chatroom!

[Herry]

Renee: From reading about the original owners of the deathly hallows, the peverell brothers, i'm wondering if harry and voldermort are distantly related voldermorts grandfather ended up with the resurrection stone ring?
J.K. Rowling: Yes, Harry and Voldemort are distantly related through the Peverells.

Just in case someone hasn't read the post about the Queen's live web chat with Scholastic/Bloomsbury..

[Archina]

Speaking of Theme Park, wouldn't it be so cool if a bunch of us could get together at the Park when it's opened. I think it'd be soooo cool!!! :~)

Oh my gosh - what a great idea! When does it open? I'd love to go but currently have no money to get there as I'm having to relocate every month to do my internship and not only does that cost money but it prevents me from getting a job.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[baty4potter]

Oh my gosh - what a great idea! When does it open? I'd love to go but currently have no money to get there as I'm having to relocate every month to do my internship and not only does that cost money but it prevents me from getting a job.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

You've got at least 3 years as to what I think they are projecting, so rat hole your money! ;~)

[Hermione@13]

Isn't it weird how the trio is sometimes fast at realizing things and sometimes are slow at it? You would've thought that maybe Harry would've realized that he was related to Marvalo.

[Witherwings]

Isn't it weird how the trio is sometimes fast at realizing things and sometimes are slow at it? You would've thought that maybe Harry would've realized that he was related to Marvalo.

Well, it's sort of like all of the ruling families in Europe are distantly related (and in Britain in particular most of the ruling families, though different last names, were related at different points in history). And in the United States, Franklin Roosevelt and his wife Eleanor were distantly related. It wasn't shocking to me that she used the concept of "pureblood" to show the inter-related-ness of all of the wizarding families.