What was Dumbledore thinking?!, can you feel the tension? Options

[martinmiggs101]

Just reading the series again and noticed this. Hagrid had just arrived in Privet drive on Blacks flying motorcycle.

'Hagrid' said Dumbledore, sounding relieved. 'At last. And where did you get that motorbike?'
'Borrored it, Professor Dumbledore, sir' said the giant, climbing carefully off the motorbike as he spoke. 'Young Sirius Black lent it me. I've got him, Sir.'
'No problems, were there?'

Might be nothing but would I be right in assuming that Dumbledore still, at this point, thought that Black was the Potters' secret keeper? So when he asked 'No problems, were there?' perhaps he thought Black had betrayed the Potters and was ready to kill Harry or even Hagrid... Just something I came across while reading. What do you think?

[msricenbeans]

could be, could be... i'd like to think he was asking out of politeness (DD is as close to all-seeing and all knowing as we could hope to find...) but there is credence to your theory... i personally feel DD knew the depth to which sirius would go to save the potters and he questioned the rescue situation more than the loyalty of sirius. i don't think DD blinked and eye when harry and hermione were babbling about sirius ( a man they never met and would only know about from "history") being innocent of the charge of murdering the potters...but really, who knows...

[Guest_jujubee_*]

As calm of a man that Dumbledore is, maybe when Hagrid had no problems to report, Dumbledore would have no reason to question or be concerned that Sirius was mentioned. As msricenbeans said, Dumbledore would know the depths Sirius would go to save the Potters. Perhaps Dumbledore did know that Sirius was no longer the secret keeper, but did not know who the new keeper was.

[potter_freak24]

Just reading the series again and noticed this. Hagrid had just arrived in Privet drive on Blacks flying motorcycle.
Might be nothing but would I be right in assuming that Dumbledore still, at this point, thought that Black was the Potters' secret keeper? So when he asked 'No problems, were there?' perhaps he thought Black had betrayed the Potters and was ready to kill Harry or even Hagrid... Just something I came across while reading. What do you think?

Well remember too that Hagrid is not normal. With the gaint in him spells bounce off him. and Dumbledore still did believe Siruis was the secret keeper and that he was dangerous til the end of book 3. so i think he sent Hagrid because he trust him and that spells repeal off him

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Maybe DD just didn't want everybody knowing the possibility of Sirius involvement. He may not have been entirely sure of Sirius part and didn't want to falsely accuse him.

[martinmiggs101]

Thanks everyone for replying so far... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Anyway, do you think there was any signifigicance (sp?) in the fact that Hagrid brought Harry to Privet drive and also rescued him 11 years later? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ?!

[Dijares]

On the question of why Hagrid: Hagrid is one of the people that DD trusts most - with the Stone and Harry.

This is interesting, now I think on it. Why would they borrow anything from Sirius, when, at this point, they believed Sirius was the only person who was the secret keeper and would have been the only one who could have betrayed the Potters?

I mean, DD and Hagrid are smart enough to realize this. I can't recall - does it say anywhere in this book, or in POA, when Hagrid actually acquired the motor bike?

[potter_freak24]

no it never said were the motor bike went to. and I think at the point when Hagrid took Harry to the Dursley's only DD know that Siruis was the secret keeper. So Hagrid would not have had a reason to refuse and offer of useing the motor bike.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

I think at the point when Hagrid took Harry to the Dursley's only DD know that Siruis was the secret keeper. So Hagrid would not have had a reason to refuse and offer of useing the motor bike.

I would say you've hit the nail on the head except for one thing, that may be voided out. I'll explain. In order for Hagrid to have gone to the Potters', he would have need the Secret-Keeper to tell him the location of their house. Otherwise he would not have been able to find it. So, unless he only found it because the secret was told and it voided out the charm, he should not have been able to find it unless PP told him where the Potters were. That's what it must've been so......

For my own clarification..... They used PP. DD thought it was Sirius. Hagrid didn't know who had the secret. PP told the secret, disabling the charm, allowing Hagrid to find their location (which he suspected would be their house obviously). Wow! PP sure didn't keep that secret long, did he? And really, I can't think of another explanation for it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

does it say anywhere in this book, or in POA, when Hagrid actually acquired the motor bike?

At the Potter house, when he went to pick up Harry. Hagrid was there and then Sirius turned up. They discussed Harry and then Sirius lent Hagrid the bike.

[Hermione@13]

I actually I agree that DD was just being sincere. Everyone knows his "trusting people" thing, so I don't think he suspected Black and he is clever, so if he was at the scene of when PP, supposedly, died then I bet there would've been more justice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crying.gif)

[Bulrid]

no it never said were the motor bike went to. and I think at the point when Hagrid took Harry to the Dursley's only DD know that Siruis was the secret keeper. So Hagrid would not have had a reason to refuse and offer of useing the motor bike.

Yeah hagrid mentioned that he didnt know black was there secret keeper when he took the bike.

[enara]

I think that Dumbledore would have suspicions, although they might not be very strong. I think it would be stupid to look over a possibility because you "know someone". That was the Potters mistake.
But I do think Dumbledore mostly knew that it wasn't Sirius who betrayed the Potters

This post has been edited by enara: Jun 11 2008, 11:40 AM

[Susaline94]

If Dumbledore actually knew that Sirius didn't betray the Potter's, then why didn't he defend Sirius like he defended Snape?
I think Dumbledore believed that Sirius did it, but he knew Hagrid was upset and was smart enough to keep hes mouth shut. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hogwarts.gif)

[the_prisoner_of_...]

I get the feeling, DD couldn't bring himself to face the possibility it wasn't Sirius. Mainly because DD had been so involved and could have said no etc. He probably felt a bit responsible himself for the Potter's death.

But I also believe DD wouldn't have wanted to believe it was Sirius. But what other evidence did he have?

[MrsGinnyPotter]

I believe that... you martinmiggs101 have just discovered something i have looked over a thousand times!
I think DD was more reffering to the muggles that could have been gathering around the house...they would hardly let a giant take the only living thing away!

[quidditch]

I believe that DD knew that Sirius wasn't the secret keeper, and that is what led him to show the kids (Harry and Hermione)how to save him and Buckbeak in #3. I think when DD asked Hagrid if there were any issues, I took it as him asking more or less if any of the Death Eaters had tried to stop him from taking Harry. The Death Eaters would have been the obvious ones to try and stand in the way of Hagrid taking Harry, once Voldemort was leveled.

[FahnestockSarah]

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Just reading the series again and noticed this. Hagrid had just arrived in Privet drive on Blacks flying motorcycle.

'Hagrid' said Dumbledore, sounding relieved. 'At last. And where did you get that motorbike?'
'Borrored it, Professor Dumbledore, sir' said the giant, climbing carefully off the motorbike as he spoke. 'Young Sirius Black lent it me. I've got him, Sir.'
'No problems, were there?'

Might be nothing but would I be right in assuming that Dumbledore still, at this point, thought that Black was the Potters' secret keeper? So when he asked 'No problems, were there?' perhaps he thought Black had betrayed the Potters and was ready to kill Harry or even Hagrid... Just something I came across while reading. What do you think?

Dumbledore was just asking if there was an problems with harry on the way to the house that harrys' aunt and uncle live in on privet drive. Dumbledore already new who harrys' secert keeper was from the day that harrys' parents died and sirius black does not want to kill harry because sirius is harrys' godfather in the movies. love sarah fahnestock (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hogwarts.gif)

This post has been edited by FahnestockSarah: Aug 5 2008, 01:11 PM

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Dumbledore was just asking if there was an problems with harry on the way to the house that harrys' aunt and uncle live in on privet drive. Dumbledore already new who harrys' secert keeper was from the day that harrys' parents died and sirius black does not want to kill harry because sirius is harrys' godfather in the movies.

But Dumbledore did not at that point know that Sirius was still on his side. And he still thought Sirius was the secret keeper.

[Hollie]

I'm pretty sure it says in Prisoner of Azkaban about Hagrid acquiring Blacks Motorbike... I'm not sure if it's in the movie or in the book or both.. but it is when Harry has snuck into Hogsmeade and overhears the professors and fudge telling rosmerta about that night and hagrid starts crying and was saying how he lent him the bike and hagrid accepted and left him... blah blah blah

if you want it completely perfect go look in your prisoner of azkaban book because after typing that i'm pretty sure it's in the book...in detail..

although it deffo is in the film as well..


i think dumbledore was just asking if he had any problem getting harry out of the house and to privet drive.. dumbledore wouldn't be concerned with sirius for the moment when he needed to get harry sorted.

[whitewolf]

Here's my two cents: It was general concern, probably about Death Eaters or being sighted. Dumberdore was in "fix-it" mode. As for Sirius and Hagrid, Hagrid was given the bike by Sirius who met him at the house. Hagrid does describe what happened (POA), but only in half-speech. You get that this was somebody he trusted but you are never sure quite if he just sad or betrayed.

Finally, doesn't anybody else realize that beside Sirius and DD that Remus and Longbottom was a safe keeper. (POA and OOTP) Remember when Remus meets Sirius again they apologize to each other for suspecting one another of the betrayal. This means that Remus knew too. It was Sirius confronting Peter that made him realize that it was him. DD did not know that Peter knew (only Sirius knew because he was the one who told him). Also the Longbottoms were tortured by Bella and crew because they thought that it was a set-up and they wanted to know where and how they had taken the Dark Lord, but the Longbottoms would not tell.

So you see DD concern was general and his focus was on Harry. Sirius gave the bike to Hagrid and then went off to find the betrayer. He probably would have tried to kill Remus if he got to him first. Just so happens he got to Peter and weak as he was he probably confessed half way through the first question.