Snape, **SPOILERS??** Options

[doctorapk]

Although I am a strong proponent/apostle of the "DD is not dead" theory and that he and Snape were able to rig up some elaborate "ruse" making it look like that Snape killed DD, when in fact, he did not...
......the appearance of DD's portrait on the wall, amongst the portraits of other PREVIOUS (i.e. deceased, presumably, I don't know if their were any resignees)
headmasters bodes ill for that theory.
But I DO hope that JK has kept him alive....all my fingers, toes, and both eyes are crossed... 01:)

[baty4potter]

so baty you think that dd is not dead?

i do beleive some of what wizard of aus has said. but i do think that dd is dead. i don't think that his picture would have appeared in his office and on the wall by coincedence. (i think i spelled that right  06<_< ) unless there was a spell to make it appear even though he is not dead. that is "if" he is not dead. i am very weary of this theory.
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No, I don't think the picture appeared by coincidence. If I were to be planning something like this I'd make sure all the bases were covered, and that my portrait were put there. He may even have planted it himself.

I expect people to be leery. But right now, I find too much evidence to the contrary that he is dead. Again, I could change myself, but now.... I'm sticking to my story

[cruticus]

and i'm with baty on this one. Yes there is so many quotes that one can find to say that DD is dead, but then there are others that can say that he didnt die in the first place. So, with baty and I, it is hard to find what we want to be true, but then there is evidence that we can identify that can make our statement true to its word...

[hpfan69]

yet again i must re-read the book soon. i am in the process of packing to move, so i am sooooo tired at night that i just bump off to sleep. and hopefully the old man does not too jealous of me reading the book again. men! 06<_<

[SEVERUS-SNAPE]

Imagine if this was all planned by JK, to get us all on Snapes side and then BAM, he kills Harry. I mean, i hate saying it because i am the BIGGEST Snape fan ever. But i guess its possible.

[Wizard From Aus]

Imagine if this was all planned by JK, to get us all on Snapes side and then BAM, he kills Harry. I mean, i hate saying it because i am the BIGGEST Snape fan ever. But i guess its possible.
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Please excuse my Spelling.
But Trelawney has been predicting Harry's death for a long time now.

[doctorapk]

I don't think Snape will kill Harry...I DO think it is POSSIBLE that Harry may kill Snape before finding out that he is on the good side..



.....and that thing with Trelawney's often seemingly so far-fetched theories weirdly turning out to be true...that DOES have me worried about Harry's ultimate fate. 05:(

[baty4potter]

so baty you think that dd is not dead?

i do beleive some of what wizard of aus has said. but i do think that dd is dead. i don't think that his picture would have appeared in his office and on the wall by coincedence. (i think i spelled that right  06<_< ) unless there was a spell to make it appear even though he is not dead. that is "if" he is not dead. i am very weary of this theory.
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Think about it this way.... If you were going to fake your death, and you wanted it to look real, you'd *have* to put a portrait there otherwise *everyone* would wonder what was going on. So the portrait means nothing. Well to me it doesn't. lol

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Please excuse my Spelling.
But Trelawney has been predicting Harry's death for a long time now.
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Yes, she also predicted that he would live a long life and have many children as well, didn't she? And wasn't that the most recent prediction? I can't remember for sure.

Think about it this way.... If you were going to fake your death, and you wanted it to look real, you'd *have* to put a portrait there otherwise *everyone* would wonder what was going on. So the portrait means nothing. Well to me it doesn't.

I was thinking about this earlier Baty after I wrote you that e-mail earlier. OK, there is one instance in the book where it says the portraits are of dead headmasters (you remember my scream of joy when I found it, don't you? LOL). Now, as much as I hate to say it, Umbridge was once a Headmistress of the school. And yet, we have not been told that her picture is there. So, this can add to the idea of it being only portraits of dead previous Headpeople on the wall.

[baty4potter]

Yes, she also predicted that he would live a long life and have many children as well, didn't she? And wasn't that the most recent prediction? I can't remember for sure.
I was thinking about this earlier Baty after I wrote you that e-mail earlier. OK, there is one instance in the book where it says the portraits are of dead headmasters (you remember my scream of joy when I found it, don't you? LOL). Now, as much as I hate to say it, Umbridge was once a Headmistress of the school. And yet, we have not been told that her picture is there. So, this can add to the idea of it being only portraits of dead previous Headpeople on the wall.
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And I could see this, but I will stand by my statement that if I were planning on fooling people to think I were dead then I'd make sure my portrait was on the wall. And if you all don't think DD isn't powerful enough, then you don't know DD. 04:P

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Well yes Baty, and I agree with you. If you're going to fake your own death, do it right. But I still think he's dead. Between the portrait and the phoenix flying out of the fire, I'm pretty convinced he's gone. 03;) But we can go right ahead and keep discussing it for the next two years if you'd like? LOL! 02:D

[baty4potter]

Well yes Baty, and I agree with you. If you're going to fake your own death, do it right. But I still think he's dead. Between the portrait and the phoenix flying out of the fire, I'm pretty convinced he's gone.  03;)  But we can go right ahead and keep discussing it for the next two years if you'd like? LOL!  02:D
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Ahhh, I was waiting for someone to say something about the phoenix flying out of the fire. Dij will disagree with you that dd is *now* dead. She thinks that was a kinda re-birth. I know when she sees this she'll give us her explanation. 13B)

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Ahhh, I was waiting for someone to say something about the phoenix flying out of the fire. Dij will disagree with you that dd is *now* dead. She thinks that was a kinda re-birth. I know when she sees this she'll give us her explanation.

LOL! Well, you already know my thoughts about what the phoenix means, Baty. And I know what Dij's thoughts on it are as well. But since no one else here does, and I have yet to see it around, I'll post what I think.

On Jo's site, she has said that "Members of the Order use their Patronuses to communicate with each other. They are the only wizards who know how to use their spirit guardians in this way and they have been taught to do so by Dumbledore (he invented this method of communication)." and "Dumbledore's Patronus is indeed a phoenix."

DD's Patronus is a Phoenix. Okay, that's clear. But, I noticed the words "spirit guardians" and that really caught my interest. I do believe that it was DD's spirit guardian that we saw leaving the tomb. And between that, and the one instance we are told the pics in the Headperson's office are of the dead headpeople (after DD's death), I do believe he is dead and gone.

[baty4potter]

WWW, I will mark that on my calendar what you have said 03;) and if and when you are right I will make sure I'm the first to tell you. 02:toofunny: 04:P

[Bunnyc]

Don't forget that JKR herself said that she was extremely upset by what she wrote
in that book.......more so than when she killed off Sirius so to me that says that
DD is truly dead. (even though I'd really like to believe otherwise).
As it's Harry alone who must kill Voldemort, what purpose would there be in
bringing DD back?

[baty4potter]

Don't forget that JKR herself said that she was extremely upset by what she wrote
in that book.......more so than when she killed off Sirius so to me that says that
DD is truly dead.  (even though I'd really like to believe otherwise).
As it's Harry alone who must kill Voldemort, what purpose would there be in
bringing DD back?
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I don't think he really died. I'm reading it again, and could probably change my mind a dozen times, but right now, I think he's alive.

I know there is surmountable evidence that he's dead, but just the few things that I've picked up on, I feel he never died.

And I know JK was very upset, and she kinda blew off how upset she was when Sirius died, because at that time she was VERY upset, but maybe she's upset because Snape broke his vow and he is doomed. Heck if I know. I have a feeling and I'm running with it. If I'm wrong, at least I won't be upset until I read the last book. lol

[SEVERUS-SNAPE]

Do you guys think that Snape might overshadow Harry in the last book? Because there is so much that needs to be explained about him!

[gazbo-s]

Yes, she also predicted that he would live a long life and have many children as well, didn't she? And wasn't that the most recent prediction? I can't remember for sure.
I was thinking about this earlier Baty after I wrote you that e-mail earlier. OK, there is one instance in the book where it says the portraits are of dead headmasters (you remember my scream of joy when I found it, don't you? LOL). Now, as much as I hate to say it, Umbridge was once a Headmistress of the school. And yet, we have not been told that her picture is there. So, this can add to the idea of it being only portraits of dead previous Headpeople on the wall.
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But does Umbridge count ? We are told that the office locked itself and wouldn't let her in - because she wasn't the real Head of the school (DD was in the opinion of the school itself in my opinion).

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

In my own opinion, yes, she does count. The school might not have liked it, but she was an official Headmistress. DD was replaced. Now, he still had the school's best interest at heart, there is no doubt about it. But he could do nothing for the school while he was not there in the Headmaster position and Umbridge got to do whatever she wanted (except get into the Headmaster's office, LOL) for/to the school while she was there. It was a very short period of time, and I wouldn't want it to count, but I would think that it would have to count. 05:(

[Hermione@13]

It's possible that Snape's already dead and so is Malfoy, so maybe that's why at the end Snape was saying it's him. Maybe that was really V impersonating Snape. That's why the book was dated 50 years ago. Maybe at the end V was so excited that he forgot his cover. What if DD didn't know that was really V impersonating Snape. I believe if Snape was alive Snape was in the graveyard or wherever the DE's were hiding at that time.