Horcruxes, What do you think they are? Options

[Erised]

I dont' think Harry is a horcrux anymore. . .

Wouldn't Dumbledore have told Harry that he could be a possible horcrux if that was the case??? In this book we get the feeling that Dumbledore wants to impart all of his knowledge regarding Voldemort to Harry. If that is the case, then he wouldn't have neglected to mention to Harry that he could be a possible horcrux. I think at one point Dumbledore even says something to the effect of, "Now you know as much about Voldemort as I do".

Also,
Voldemort has 2/7 of his soul within his body when he goes to kill Harry (assuming the diary/goblet/locket/ring/item of G or R are already horcruxes). He was planning on making a horcrux with HARRY'S death (not James or Lily's). He is not successful. When he's resurrected, according to Dumbledore, he makes a horcrux out of Nagini using the old man's death.

1/7 -->Nagini (intact)
1/7 --> Voldemort (intact)

Voldemort couldn't have made Harry a horcrux because he couldn't kill him. The murder and the incantation go hand-in-hand. Even on an unconscious level it could not have happened since the murder never occurred. Dumbledore may be wrong about Nagini... But it comes down to whether or not you trust Dumbledore...

[cruticus]

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[half_blood_princ...]

I hope harry isn't the last one because Imagine that he is wouldn't he become Voldamort or something

[GinnyPotter]

[quote=Erised,Aug 1 2005, 09:01 PM]
I dont' think Harry is a horcrux anymore. . .

Wouldn't Dumbledore have told Harry that he could be a possible horcrux if that was the case??? In this book we get the feeling that Dumbledore wants to impart all of his knowledge regarding Voldemort to Harry. If that is the case, then he wouldn't have neglected to mention to Harry that he could be a possible horcrux. I think at one point Dumbledore even says something to the effect of, "Now you know as much about Voldemort as I do".

Also,
Voldemort has 2/7 of his soul within his body when he goes to kill Harry (assuming the diary/goblet/locket/ring/item of G or R are already horcruxes). He was planning on making a horcrux with HARRY'S death (not James or Lily's). He is not successful. When he's resurrected, according to Dumbledore, he makes a horcrux out of Nagini using the old man's death.

1/7 -->Nagini (intact)
1/7 --> Voldemort (intact)

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Ahhhh, but he did commit two murders when he gave Harry his scar.

[Erised]

[QUOTE]Ahhhh, but he did commit two murders when he gave Harry his scar. [/QUOTE]

But the act of murder alone doesn't create a horcrux. In order for an object to be made a horcrux you need a murder + incantation. And when a wizard uses an incantation they need to concentrate on and be determined on bring about a particular effect. So when Voldemort killed Lily and James there was murder but no intent. And when Voldemort tried to kill Harry there was intent but no murder. So in both cases something is missing from the equation.

[baty4potter]

I believe Erised has a very valid point. I'm still confused on the Horcrux, and am in the process of reading the book again, but the intent has to be there. Actually, I'm wondering if Voldemort even gave the Horcrux a thought at that point. He was a whole person at that time.

[SIRIUSblackandHO...]

So, you're saying Volds couldn't of accidently transfered a part of his soul into Harry coz there was no incantation? But Dumbledore doesn't say you need an incantation to split your soul, you just need to commit a number of murders, so his soul could of split for the last time when he killed James and Lilly. I still think he could of accidently transfered that part of his soul to Harry when he tried to kill him, coz after all, he managed to transfer his powers to Harry accidently,(something he definately didn't want or mean to do) and that would probably normally take a powerful incantation to do that, coz that's pretty powerful magic aswell. So if he didn't need an incantation to that, he might not of needed one to transfer that small part of his soul. 11:blink:
Atleast, I think that makes sense.

[Jas_656]

If Harry is a Horcrux that means he would have to die before Voldy rite?? But if he is the only 1 who can kill Voldy hows he spose to win??

[chris_1988]

If Harry is a Horcrux that means he would have to die before Voldy rite?? But if he is the only 1 who can kill Voldy hows he spose to win??
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well done, one of the many reasons why it is impossible for ahrry to be a horcrux,.

for me the most telling argument against the theory is that LV was trying to KILL harry. why would he make him a horcrux if he was going to kill him?

[Dijares]

well done, one of the many reasons why it is impossible for ahrry to be a horcrux,.

for me the most telling argument against the theory is that LV was trying to KILL harry. why would he make him a horcrux if he was going to kill him?
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Exactly. That's just common sense. There's no way that Harry is a horcrux.

I still think it's Wormtail's hand.

[MitchHorn36]

ok...i didnt read through all the posts...too much to read....but here are my two cents...

here are the horcruxes we know of:
hufflepuffs cup
nagini
the diary
the ring
slytherin's locket
something of gryffindor or ravenclaw
voldemort himself

the diary and ring have been destroyed....the locket is hidden in kreacher's closet at number 12...(i believe in kreacher's closet....after rereading OotP, I remembered that while cleaning the house there was a locket w/ an S on it that they could not open and they through it out, and if my memory serves me correctly, kreacher picked it up)....the locket was obviously taken by regulus black, who apparently wasn't quite the dark wizard "the old hag" black's mother thought he was...

that leaves harry to find and kill nagini and destroy the cup....this brings us to the unknown horcrux....

im happy to see that a couple people figured this out, because this was the first thing that hit me when they were talking about it....harry is most definitely the final horcrux.....we know from CoS that harry is a "true Gryffindor" because only a true gryffindor could have withdrawn Godric's sword from the hat....now i dont want to go ahead and proclaim him the heir of gryffindor as that would seem rather cheesy to me, but we must remember that his green eyes are still very important...possibly revealing his lineage?....anyway....the point is we are going to see neo from the matrix all over again....harry will destroy all the other horcruxes and then after failed attempts to kill voldemort will realize that only by sacrificing himself and showing LOVE for the rest of the world will he be able to kill voldemort....because love is the one power that voldemort does not understand, having never experienced it himself.....the locked door in the dept. of mysterious?....the one that dumbledore says contains this power could possibly be opened upon harry's sacrifice and this could ultimately vanquish voldemort.....just a thought.....but i AM nearly positive that harry is the final horcrux which would mean that he will have to die in the final book....sad i know

[mollyweasley]

you lost me there, I just cannot join the "Harry is a Horcrux" theorists. If Harry destroys himself, who will kill V? Neville?

[Walkyrie]

Mitch, if your theory is correct that is a spooky way for JK to deal with our hero - the hero of a children's series after all. Maybe in the adult version, but i don't think so. I'll admit it's possible but not probable.

The main reason I'm against it is that what a goofy way to make a horcrux - getting yourself blasted all to heck in the process. Surely inanimate objects are much more manageable and you avoid the risk of losing one of your soul frags to suicide or drunk driving.

LV specifically says to Harry in SS " . . . you'll meet the same end as your parents." and "your mother died trying to save you [from death]" and then later, to Quirrell, after it's apparent Harry is trying to get away "KILL HIM, KILL HIM!" That's a heck of a way to deal with your immortality guarantee. And ZI don't buy that he made more so he could throw a few away - he was supposedly angry that Lucius Malfoy missused his diary horcrux and lost him one. No, LV wants 7 horcruxes intact - that's his magic number and he doesn't want to waste any, so Harry can't be one. Sorry.

[Perseus_Evans]

My guess is that Harry could have been an accidental Horcrux. It makes sense that if we find out about the Horcruxes toward the end, yet we still don't know the truth about the scar...

And I do buy into the Heir of Gryffindor idea. The fact that Harry has piles of gold at Gringott's suggests the Potter family was an old rich wizarding family in my opinion, since the Evans family probably didn't have an account there... Also the comment Sirius made to Pettigrew in PoA about "handing Voldemort the last Potter" suggests something affluent in Harry's family, much like the "noble house of Black"... JKR said James was an only child and born to parents who "had him late in life", so he was probably quite spoiled.

I think this was foreshadowed in the duel over Riddle Sr.'s grave in GoF... Green avada kedavra for our heir of slytherin + red expelliarmus from the last of the Potter (Gryffindor?) line...

anyway...

1 Voldy himself
2 Ring
3 Locket
4 Huffle cup
5 Nagini
6 Diary
7 Something of Ravenclaw/Gryffindor's (I bet this is at Hogwarts)
8 Harry (the accidental Horcrux)

[baty4potter]

I find this written statement, found in the locket, quite interesting....

To the Dark Lord
I know I will be dead long before you read this
But I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret.
I have stolen the *real* Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match,
you will be mortal once more.
R.A.B.

Now, for one moment, let's forget about who R.A.B is, and think about why the person said the *real* horcrux.

Any thoughts?

And NO I do not believe Harry is a Horcrux, because he is Voldemorts match.

[Perseus_Evans]

My thought is that because he'd placed a decoy locket in its place, he was calling it the "real" one to distinguish it from the one that held the note.

[cruticus]

well the locket aint the horcrux, but the the "real" one that has been said, is what i believe DD has told Harry about that he needs to go out and find...i mean, i have a feeling that the last horcrux may possibly the arm of Peter, as its the only horcrux that is close to Voldemort because he can keep an eye on it...as wormtail is too scared to leave Voldemort's side

[gazbo-s]

Except that he isn't at LV's side - he's locked in Snape's house... Possibly a way for Snape's redemption and for Wormtail to repay his debt ?

[Hermione@13]

Ok, first of all what if you have to kill a certain way to create a horcrux so not much people do it on accident. Maybewhen V killed Lily then he accidentally made Harry horcrux of himself. Also, you know when DD says he isn't really gone when all are loyal to him or something along those words. Isn't t weird that he always says that while Harry's around?

[Dijares]

Ok, first of all what if  you have to kill a certain way to create a horcrux so not much people do it on accident. Maybewhen V killed Lily then he accidentally made Harry horcrux of himself. Also, you know when DD says he isn't really gone when all are loyal to him or something along those words. Isn't t weird that he always says that while Harry's around?
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There is no 'certain' way that it is done. Murder is murder, no matter how it is done, so the soul (according to the book) is split when murder is performed.