What brave deed will Wormtail do? Options

[Archina]

Okay, I'm just about 100% convinced that Wormtail is going to do at least one exceptionally brave thing in book 7.

The defining characteristic of Gryffindor is courage/bravery and frankly I don't think Wormtail's shown any of that. Sure he did restore Voldemort but I don't really think that counts.. where else could he hide but with his old master? There's no way he could appear in the general wizarding world and it would have been too much of a risk for the other Death Eater's to take him in. Besides, most of them are Slytherins and were out to save their own necks at that time by trying to appear like model citizens.. now it wouldn't have done them any good to be found with Pettigrew! Anyway, firstly, JK tells us that the sorting hat is never wrong (Leaky Cauldron interview, July 16th 2005). Secondly, the hat says to Harry, "You could be great you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness", indicating that the hat considers people's futures as well as their present. So, although Wormtail may not have shown any bravery before the sorting day, during Hogwarts or yet in his life, he is a true Gryffindor and is bound to show that characteristic bravado at some point. The question is when? And in what way?

Many think he'll show this by saving Harry and they may well be right as Wormtail was saved by Harry and does have a life debt to him. But if he has a life-debt to him, does this mean that he HAS TO save him if ever Harry needs saving? Why then didn't Wormtail do anything when Voldie yelled Avada Kedavra at Harry in Goblet of Fire? And if it does mean that he must save Harry in some way, is it really bravery if he's obliged to do it? Is there some other way we can see Wormtail showing bravery? Maybe after rescuing Harry, Voldie will turn against him and Wormtail will bravely fight him and protect the other students or members of the order.

Anyway, what do you all think?

Expecting any great bravery of Wormtail? If so, what and when?

And what do you think of that life debt business? Does he HAVE TO save Harry? If so, why didn't he do anything in Goblet of Fire?

[1HPgirl]

Um, I think that Harry hates Wormtail with such a great passion and he doesn't want to have to need Wormtail for something. In other words, I think Harry would rather not have any help at all then to get it from Wormtail. But, I do not think Wormtail will offer help or save Harry or anything. He is too cowardly. But if he does....I still hate him. LOL :)

[Arsi]

There was a theory that Wormtail will kill Remus Lupin since his hand is made of silver, (or that is what it appears to be made of).

After the appearance of Fenrir Greyback, with another werewolf in the mix, I am convinced that he will save Harry by killing Fenrir when he tries to attack him. Whether Wormtail survives or not, that is anyone's guess. I dont think his survival is important. It is the fact that he is going to save Harry.

[Hermione@13]

If his silver hand does kill Remus then this fits with the"Lupin is evil" theory! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Now that it all fits it's possible Wormtail will do this, but does anyone notice something? Rat...wolf...do wolves eat rats?

[Archina]

Hey didn't Jo naysay the Wormtail killing Lupin theory?

But I don't think she's ever answered anything about him killing Fenir, so it's a distinct possibility.

As for the wolves eating rats thing, rats are generally a bit too small for wolves to take notice of, and they'requite fast and would probably get away..

[1HPgirl]

As much as a great deed it would be for Wormtail to kill Fenrir, I just can't see it happening. I don't know, maybe I am a little bias against him but I don't want Wormtail to be good! =\

[Zola231]

I think that Wormtail owes his life to Harry in POA. I dont think he will have any choice when this will happen. I see what you mean Archina, how was he put in Wormtail? But we dont have any real proff he was in gryfindor. Maybe he was a hufflepuff and just hanged around with them. Look at Luna Lovegood.

[Hermione@13]

Hey didn't Jo naysay the Wormtail killing Lupin theory?

Can you give us a quote, Archina? I don't look for interviews with Jo as much as rereading the books, so who am I to know if she really said this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Anyway, if she really said it isn't going to happen and nobody has good proof that Wormtail will kill Fenrir then possibly he'll pay his debt in another sort of way. Possibly, we'll find out a new power that the silver hand has that will help Harry heal after the faceoff?

[Archina]

In respone to hearing the theory that wormtail will kill Lupin, Jo in the 'rumours' section in her site:

nice idea, clearly predicted on the legend that only a silver bullet can kill a werewolf - but incorrect

As for whether or not he was in Gryffindor, I wasn't 100% sure why we tend to think that, so I had a hunt on the web. The Harry Potter Lexicon says,

We do not know which house Peter was sorted into. It seems likely that he, like the rest of that group of friends was in Gryffindor, but we just don't know.

but Wikipedia says,

House: Gryffindor

- who knows where they get that information from though!

I was just reading some stuff on MuggleNet and they seem to take it as a given that Wormtail was in Gryffindor.

Hey, did Jo or one of the characters in the books ever say something to the effect of 'not all bad guys are in Slytherin e.g. Peter.." because that would be solid evidence!

[Zola231]

Wilkpedia is very good is'nt it. Seems like they have covered everything LOL.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Just so y'all know.....

Sirius Riddle: What houses were Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, James Potter and Remus Lupin in? Everyone tells me they were all Gryffindor, but I won't believe it unless I hear it from Ms. Rowling herself!
JK Rowling says: This is JK herself saying that they were indeed in Gryffindor!

As for Wormtail, I do believe he will do something to save/help Harry. He has a life-debt, Jo won't forget that. But as to when and how, I've no clue. Though I do tend to like the killing Fenrir theory the best so far.

[Arsi]

With Wormtail, you must take a few things into consideration.

1. He is a very unwilling servant for Voldemorts, Voldemort himself stated that in the graveyard.
2. He ran back to serve Voldemort when Sirius reappeared, so he is seeking protection, not there by choice
3. All throughout Order of the Pheonix, not a peep is heard from Wormtail, he isnt sent on any missions we have heard about.
4. We find him in Snape's house in The Half Blood Prince. He was sent there, (possibly just to get rid of him), Snape suggests that he could talk to Voldemort to have Wormtail do more dangerous work, but Wormtail though miserable does not want to leave, since it is kind of safe there.
5. Notice only out of the 4 marauders, only Peter is always refered to by his nickname. It is kind of a sign to show just how low he really is... as low as a worm.
6. Wormtail was almost a failed wizard, from all examples and couldnt manage to do much... even Voldemort stated that.

Voldemort said that he is an unwilling servant, and that he only came back when he had to. He could see the look of revoltion on his face when he tended him. Voldemort did reward him with a silver hand. I feel this must be highly significant. As stated before silver is not the only way to kill a werewolf, but is probably one of the easiest. We are dealing with magic, and we dont know how resistant a werewolf is to magic. Will he seek out a battle, probably not, it isnt in his nature. But he does owe his life to Harry, he might find out that Fenrir is being sent to attack the Weasley family and that Harry is there...He might try to go and warn them, and get pulled into the battle.

Wormtail, in Gryffindor does trouble me, he doesnt show any of the signs from what we have seen, but....

1. Ravenclaw, he was not wise any any way
2. Hufflepuff, he is not loyal to anyone
3. Slytherin, he does not crave power, and is not sly enough to fit there

He might have been brave to start out, but being bullied and put down it squashed his soul. He might have come across some sort of tragic accident that totally changed his bravery. We havent seen much of Wormtail, so it is kind of hard to judge him accurately.

[1HPgirl]

Just so y'all know.....
As for Wormtail, I do believe he will do something to save/help Harry. He has a life-debt, Jo won't forget that. But as to when and how, I've no clue. Though I do tend to like the killing Fenrir theory the best so far.

Just because he has a life-debt doesn't mean that he will full-fill it. At least I don't think he has too. There's no rule or magical bond saying he has to save Harry is there ?

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

It depends on how you look at things. The way I interpret things, Lily did not cast a spell or charm to protect Harry that night. It was magic working all of it's own. And I feel that in this case with Wormtail and a life-debt, that we might have another instance of magic working on it's own again. I'm not saying that there will be a protective aura surrounding Harry because of Wormtail, just that some times magic is such a powerful thing that it almost appears to have a life-force all it's own. And if this is the case, the life-debt will be fulfilled in one way or another and whether Wormtail likes it or not.

Besides, Jo really did emphasize that Wormtail has a life-debt with Harry. I don't think (at least I hope not) that she'll let it go by the wayside. Not with how important DD made it seem that Voldemort has a servant who is in debt with his enemy.

[Hermione@13]

I get it, it's like the Prophecy, it says "one must die at the hand of the other". This is like "one must pay the debt to the protector". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[My Pensieve]

Besides, Jo really did emphasize that Wormtail has a life-debt with Harry. I don't think (at least I hope not) that she'll let it go by the wayside. Not with how important DD made it seem that Voldemort has a servant who is in debt with his enemy.

I do agree with you about how Jo really emphasized Wormtail's debt, but keep in mind all the clues she emphasized about Dumbledore possibly being alive. Ummm, and don't even go where you want to go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

[Archina]

I'm convinced that the life-debt will be paid, most probably in the killing of Fenir. What I don't get is why it hasn't already been paid. At least once now Harry was very close to death and Wormtail was right there. I think as WWW does that a life-debt isn't so much a choice but something that just plays out. Therefore, the reason could be that it just simply wasn't the right time.

Thanks for clearing up that Peter was definitely in Gryffindor! I thought I'd read it somewhere earlier but wasn't sure I wasn't imagining it!

To me, Peter seems most like a Slytherin or Hufflepuff. Slytherin not because he's 'evil' but because he tends to act out of fear not love or honour and he can be sly - afterall he did trick the Potters when he betrayed them and he is always listening in on Snape's conversations. Hufflepuff - I don't think he's loyal at all but they do 'take the rest'. However he was put into Gryffindor and put there for a reason. We haven't any reason to suspect he was brave once as we've never heard this from the marauders or anyone else, so I expect his bravery is yet to come. I sort of expect him to do more than save Harry. Maybe he'll live the feeling of acting honourably and stick with it like a true Gryffindor!

Similiar to what Arsi suggests, I think he's just not showing this as he's downtrodden and patronised. This is how he was treated by James and Sirius and now Voldie and Snape. He betrayed James, similarly I expect him to betray Voldie or Snape. Whether that's in with him killing Fenir or whether he'll do something else I don't know.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

keep in mind all the clues she emphasized about Dumbledore possibly being alive

I beg to differ. Jo didn't emphasize those clues as much as the fans who believed DD was alive did. And I won't say it was without good reason, cause they had it. There were things that could've added up to him being alive, especially with us knowing her and her tricky ways. And though she did emphasize them, I think it was the fans who did so more and that was why she had to lay DD to rest at last.

Thanks for clearing up that Peter was definitely in Gryffindor! I thought I'd read it somewhere earlier but wasn't sure I wasn't imagining it!

You're welcome, Hun! I cant remember them like I used to anymore, but there are still those really important ones that stick out from time to time. :)

[My Pensieve]

I beg to differ. Jo didn't emphasize those clues as much as the fans who believed DD was alive did. And I won't say it was without good reason, cause they had it. There were things that could've added up to him being alive, especially with us knowing her and her tricky ways. And though she did emphasize them, I think it was the fans who did so more and that was why she had to lay DD to rest at last.

Oh I'll beg to differ with you about JK not emphasizing those clues. The Levicorpus/Liberacorpus, the slow way Dumbledore fell off the tower, I think those were put into the book to bring people of like minds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) to see the whole Dumbledore death in a different way. It made us think and not just take it for granted that Dumbledore was dead.

Now I know what side of the bed you lie on, but you also have to keep in mind that I and Perseus weren't the only ones that swung this way. There were many so it wasn't just a passing thing in the book.

And yes, JK did put this to rest, but to say those parts weren't emphasized are all in how you read the book. JK has put many a twist on things like this, and no one followed the clues, I'll use the HBP/Snape as an example. The clues were there, we just chose to ignore them. And No, I'm not going back into the books to get them for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I chose not to ignore the clues on Dumbledore, and came out wrong. I guess I'm just not perfect like some.

And it's easy for you to say that now since JK came out of the closet about this one. It might be different if she'd kept it quiet and DD was alive.

We both perceive this differently so to say she didn't emphasize I feel is wrong. You and I will Never agree on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)

[Hermione@13]

To me, Peter seems most like a Slytherin or Hufflepuff. Slytherin not because he's 'evil' but because he tends to act out of fear not love or honour and he can be sly - afterall he did trick the Potters when he betrayed them and he is always listening in on Snape's conversations. Hufflepuff - I don't think he's loyal at all but they do 'take the rest'. However he was put into Gryffindor and put there for a reason. We haven't any reason to suspect he was brave once as we've never heard this from the marauders or anyone else, so I expect his bravery is yet to come. I sort of expect him to do more than save Harry. Maybe he'll live the feeling of acting honourably and stick with it like a true Gryffindor!

DD has said once, "It is not our qualities that show who we really are, but our choices." This shows that if Wormtail decided on Gryffindor it is possible he wants to be brave, but has showed that he isn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)