What was DD saying to Draco?, They could fake Draco's death??? Options

[baty4potter]

Hhow come that line is missing from some books? i for one havent got that line in my HBP.

Well, that'd be something to ask the publishers.

[Hermione@13]

Maybe DD has just kept him hidden for all of these years -- and that would mean that if DD was keeping RAB hidden he would know that RAB had already taken the locket (DD could have even been the one helping him) and so maybe DD and Harry's trip to the cave was just so DD would be able to fake his own death?

DD hasn't faked his death. This is where it's happened. You could look for it on HPP or go here.

Author JK Rowling explicitly clarified tonight on her final appearance at Radio City Music Hall in New York City that Dumbledore is "definitely" dead.

Anyway, as for what DD was saying to Draco. I have a strong feeling that he really meant death. I know. It's a bit extreme, but think about it.

[You-Know-Poo]

On the tower, I've been thinking about the conversation between DD and Draco. It is probably an extremely significant little exchange, whether you think DD is dead or alive...

But this is the quote that I keep coming back to...

"He cannot kill you if you are already dead... we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine."

Anyone have a theory on what this means?

"Draught of Living Death" anyone?

Or could he be saying that if you are on the right side, you get to join the "party" that goes on "behind the veil"... and maybe it ties into the "fate worse than death" thing... If you don't die with your soul intact, you don't get to join the party...

Or is it that he knows how to return from the dead if you use the right spell or something?

All I know is that he's implying something about death that contradicts what we know already from Sirius's death... We learned that you can't come back from death, but could there be something else Dumbledore can do?

It could also be telling us that Dumbledore was the person that suggested the Potter's and the secret keeper situation

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

We know he did that.

Dumbledore told them that their best chance was the Fidelius Charm. -POA 10

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[baty4potter]

I think it's more to it then the Fidelius Charm, yes it was used to protect James and Lily, and the Orders Headquarters, but it still doesn't hold that's what he was trying to tell Draco. It just seems all to simple, but then again I know I read a lot into things. Dumbledore's death seemed to simple, RAB seems too simple, and now this with Draco. She always seems to try and play mind games, and let's see if we can fool everyone, but now it just seems all too simple.

Then again maybe she was done with the games and just went right for the obvious.

[Perseus_Evans]

One thing that always made this statement seem significant is the fact that part of the conversation was edited out later.... Almost like JKR either didn't want to reveal too much... or she didn't want to contradict herself.

Still though, I think the idea of an intact soul may play into it... Meaning: "Draco... don't commit murder, because there's a party behind the veil" but she had second thoughts about it...

I'm thinking one of JKR's original plans for the ending was to tackle the afterlife to some extent. Perhaps she will, but I have a feeling she'll make it more subtle than she originally planned. It's one thing to provide an idea, but quite another to push it through to a religion. She may well be afraid of the mythos being taken too far...

It's late, so I'm not sure what I'm getting at exactly, but I do think that no matter what... some form of afterlife will be explored...

C.S. Lewis and Tolkein both finished with at least some type of afterlife, and I wouldn't be surprised to see JKR do the same...

[baty4potter]

C.S. Lewis and Tolkein both finished with at least some type of afterlife, and I wouldn't be surprised to see JKR do the same...

I think I'd be disappointed if there was. I don't know why, but I just can't see her exploring an afterlife.

[Hermione@13]

Actually, I believe that the Room of Death explores the afterlife? Just saying. Back to Draco, I still can't imagine DD faking someone's death!

[mischief managed]

This is extremely off topic (sorry) , but most of the stuff in this thread is ...lol
So, as i was looking back, on the topic of blood... it has just occured to me, that since voldy has had harry's blood, whenever harry has felt love, voldy has been hurt. Perhaps the look of triumph in dd's eyes was bc voldy made himself vulnerable to love the moment he used harry's blood to revive himslef.

In the prophecy, it mentions that harry has a weapon that the dark lord knows not, dd said this was love, and since voldy used harry's blood, voldemort has made harry's love 10 times more potent, if not more. Prior to voldemort's resurection, love had not affected voldy in any way, and after, he was able to be blinded with pain whenever harry felt a strong surge of it. I think this explains the triumph in dd's eyes.

As for someone being hidden, regulus is a good guess... i have thought this for a while now. Although, I do not at all think dd would endanger harry on purpose if he knew where the locket actually was, so i do not believe dd kept regulus black hidden. And even if he did, would he not have told harry about him, explaining that he knew about horcruxes as well. Although, regulus does not need dd to hide him, he is (or was) perfectly capable enough to do it himself.

I used to think that regulus was somehow trapped inside the locket horcrux [because no one in grimmauld place was able to open the heavy golden locket (which i think is the horcrux) and voldy almost always has a secondary defensive system on his horcruxes, the rings curse for example ] , and this is still a thought lingering in my mind, but there is also the chance that he has in fact used the 'fidelius charm' (i believe) to hide himself from anyone he doesnt want to find him. Those are my two main ideas on where reulus may be, because i do indeed think he will be a mojorly catalytic character in the seventh book.

[Hermione@13]

Hmmm...interesting ideas. It goes back to what, I think it was Baty, said. Anyway, let's get back on topic. Draco...I somehow thought that DD was being literal. I don't know. Death seems a bit extreme but why would DD approve of faking someone's death if there was Wormtail faking it. Draco couldn't be any better than him, could he? They're definitely both cowards. Maybe there's more to it? Let's think outside the box for a moment...hmmm...maybe DD meant to not fake his death, but for Draco to choose between death or life-nah, forget it. Someone else must have better ideas than me on this.