Wands, A couple of questions Options

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Well, this came about off another topic, but as it was so far off topic I decided to start a new one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wormtail used his own wand to kill himself yes? Sirius was framed for it yes? Couldn't they have used Prior Incantata (however it's spelt) on his wand and found out it wasn't him. I guess though, maybe they tried to say it was Sirius using Wormtails wand.

Also, people have asked how Wormtail would have kept his wand if he was a rat. But Sirius managed to keep his somehow, through azkaban and whilst he was a dog, but he didn't have it in POA did he? So perhaps this means he bought a new one, but surely someone would notice Sirius Black walking into Olivanders.

Also, we know the DE's broke out of Azkaban and had their wands in the OOTP ministry fight. If wands are destroyed for expolsion from Hogwarts, surely they'd destroy the wands of permanent residents of Azkaban.

Any thoughts?

[Dijares]

I'll be honest and say that all along I felt the whole thing was a frame-up. Fudge's screw up, totally. But, then again, as far as everyone in the Order knew, Sirius was the secret keeper, so guilty. He had no real support from anyone. Too bad he didn't inform anyone before hand that he was going to let Peter be the secret keeper.

[Perseus_Evans]

In GoF, Sirius did mention that it was Barty Crouch who hustled the whole conviction process, with no trial. It was basically a witchhunt (forgive the play on words), and so no one examined what really happened that day very closely... So they probably didn't care who's wand it was, since 50 eyewitnesses identified Sirius... The question I've always had is how Wormtail cast the spell and managed to transform fast enough to escape the explosion. I'm guessing he'd already cut off his own finger, but why would he have done that before getting caught by Sirius? It's always been a bit fishy to me...

So, how does the unimpressive Peter Pettigrew manage to cut off the finger and then cast a spell before Sirius gets a word in edgewise? And then as the flames erupt around him, he changes to his rat form in the blink of an eye? Unless he planned to be "caught" all along, then it makes no sense to me... And also if the clothes on his back can be included in the animagus tranformation, why not the wand too? In theory, he should have had it in his hand when he transformed in the Shrieking Shack...

The other thing is that sure, Ollivander is the best wandmaker, but who is to say that Voldy doesn't have another wandmaker in his employ... Gregor? Maybe any wizard can make a wand, but some are just very much better at it...

People get new wands all the time... Ron and Neville both have different wands than they started with, so the fact that the DEs have wands shouldn't be too surprising. They probably take the wands from their victims too.

[baty4potter]

The other thing is that sure, Ollivander is the best wandmaker, but who is to say that Voldy doesn't have another wandmaker in his employ... Gregor? Maybe any wizard can make a wand, but some are just very much better at it...

People get new wands all the time... Ron and Neville both have different wands than they started with, so the fact that the DEs have wands shouldn't be too surprising. They probably take the wands from their victims too.

You're right, people do get new wands, even Ollivander said so when Harry got his wand, 'it seems only yesterday she(Lilly) was in here herself, buying her first wand.' So now Ollivander is missing, I feel he was taken by the Death Eaters to make a new wand for Voldemort. I suspect Voldemort wants a different wand because of his and Harry's encounter in the grave yard.

[the_prisoner_of_...]

You're probably right Baty, Voldy couldn't just go in and ask Ollivander for a wand. He doesn't want to use his anymore because of the connection to Harry but knowing Voldy he wants the best wand. Which meant he had to actually take Ollivander.

But still, a new wand probably wouldn't work as well as the original one.

[baty4potter]

You're probably right Baty, Voldy couldn't just go in and ask Ollivander for a wand. He doesn't want to use his anymore because of the connection to Harry but knowing Voldy he wants the best wand. Which meant he had to actually take Ollivander.

But still, a new wand probably wouldn't work as well as the original one.

I'm not sure about a new wand not working as well. Let's think about it... If a wizard/witch has more then one in a life time, then it means they have out grown the current one, or want different results. Voldemort's current wand definitely isn't giving him what he needs to fight Harry, but then again, if what you say is correct, it could be a big problem for him. Won't be long and we'll all know.

[Dijares]

I don't think that Voldemort will get a different wand. I think he's able to use magic without it. Besides, he's too proud to get himself a new wand. That's like admitting a weakness.

[baty4potter]

I don't think that Voldemort will get a different wand. I think he's able to use magic without it. Besides, he's too proud to get himself a new wand. That's like admitting a weakness.

Wanta put some cloths, I mean money on it? ROFL!!!!

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Maybe he doesn't need a new wand. Maybe Ollivander is there to work out a way to stop the two wands connecting.

[baty4potter]

Maybe he doesn't need a new wand. Maybe Ollivander is there to work out a way to stop the two wands connecting.

That's very true, he could be doing that for Voldemort, but I'm going to stick with this one. One of these days just one of my predictions are going to come true. lol

[the_prisoner_of_...]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) LOL Baty, with so many predictions one of them is bound to be right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Perseus_Evans]

I tend to agree that Voldy won't want to replace the wand that has been with him throughout his rise to power... Say what you will about Voldy, but he's a sentimental guy. He likes being a pack rat and isn't likely to willingly switch wands, despite the graveyard... If it were a matter of switching wands to kill Harry, I'd picture Voldy saying... "Severus, may I borrow your wand? I find it most appropriate that the wand that killed Dumbledore shall also kill his greatest fan..."

As for Ollivander, I think he actually went into hiding to prevent the Death Eaters from getting to his stock of wands. It just doesn't seem like it makes sense for him to have been captured/recruited... I don't really have a good reason for saying it either... just a feeling.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

I agree with you, Perseus. It seems like such a good thing for him to do, but I don't see him doing it. Unless Jo decides to have some fun with V and has him go through with getting a new wand only to discover that it's useless since Harry doesn't need a wand to do magic. He He! The jokes on him! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[malfoy's_girl]

I don't believe that Sirius kept his wand. Or any of the DE's either. I think the ministry would have destroyed them.
Most likely someone bought them new wand. Sirius didn't have a wand in PofA, so I think someone must of gave him one. The same with the DE's, other DE's would have gotten them wands - maybe Malfoy bought them, he has the gold to do it and it would please V.

[baty4potter]

Ok, Perseus and WWW, you gang up on the ol' bat. I see how you both are. NeenerNeener~~~~

[Perseus_Evans]

baty... we're not against you, per se...

We're against Voldy getting a new wand...

Although the image of him waiting around, like Harry in PS/SS, for Ollivander to select a correct wand could be very very comical...

[the_prisoner_of_...]

But Voldy might see the fact that his wand as that connection with Harry as weak. And Voldemort doesn't want to be considered weak. I dunno I'm gonna stick with Ollivander personally crafting a new wand for Voldemort on this one.

[baty4potter]

But Voldy might see the fact that his wand as that connection with Harry as weak. And Voldemort doesn't want to be considered weak. I dunno I'm gonna stick with Ollivander personally crafting a new wand for Voldemort on this one.

I'm glad someone is on my side with this one. I think you could be right. Voldemort was surprised by what happened with the wands, and I figure if his couldn't stop Harry then it isn't going to stop Harry now, so Voldemort would think a new wand would do the trick.

[You-Know-Poo]

I don't believe that Sirius kept his wand. Or any of the DE's either. I think the ministry would have destroyed them.
Most likely someone bought them new wand. Sirius didn't have a wand in PofA, so I think someone must of gave him one. The same with the DE's, other DE's would have gotten them wands - maybe Malfoy bought them, he has the gold to do it and it would please V.

Dumbledore could have bought Sirius a new wand

A normal looking Death Eater, could have bought new wands
Or like mentioned before, Voldemort could have a wandmaker, but then why would he need Olivander?

[Hermione@13]

Olivander could be the wandmaker that we're all talking about. I, personally, think it is a big possibility that V kiddnapped Olivander and probably Imperiused him to make them wands.