how will harry manage to kill voldermort?or will voldermort even die? Options

[harrypotteraddic...]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/gryffindor.gif) first of all we all kno that harry's power against voldermort is his love but i mean voldermort keeps underestimating this power and nevertheless he learns from his mistake like how he learned to manipulate the connection he had with harry by making harry believe sirus was in trouble.
he might have learned that harry's power to love is actually strong but on both ways how is it supposed to stop voldermort?

on the other hand harry's love for his freinds and theirs for him might cause all his friends to stand by him so eventually harry might finish off voldermort but not by being a better wizard in spells but by having more support.
but the fact that there alot of deatheaters contridicts this idea
i just hope jk doesnt killl harry and maybe make it seem like voldermort is almost dead but is imprisoned i mean the dementors must have some effect on voldermort even he has his fears. or maybe they will find something in the department of mysteries what if one of harry's freinds or even lupin jump in infront of a killing curse aimed from voldermort to harry and therfor by sacrificing causes the whole curse that harry had before when his mom sacrificed herself for him
in this way harry would again be untouchable and maybe then harry would have an even deeper grudge against voldermort making him defeat voldermort maybe its ron who dies jk has been sayin that a major death would happen i just hope its not ginny ron hermione or harry.
another theory i am trying to figure out is in one of jk's interviews she says that the fact that harry's eyes are so similiar to his mom's will have a great impact on the story and that we will learn alot bout his mom
anybody with any theories please go ahead put in your ideas i just want the book to be out already

This is going to be your last warning. Spell out ALL your words!

This post has been edited by WickedWitchOfTheWest: Jan 5 2007, 01:03 PM

[Hermione@13]

This is my theory:Harry and V have been fighting for a very long time. V gets desperate and fires a powerful Killing Curse. Nevile, fighting with a DE, sees the Curse flying toward Harry and jumps in front of him. Neville falls dead and so does V. Harry looks devastated at Neville and of course has an even stronger grudge against V which liza has already guessed. I think that Wormtail's debt might be comforting Harry, but at the same time I hope it isn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yuck.gif)

[~*~Serendipity~*...]

I perosonnaly think they will fight Voldemorts going to get weak and his is going to kill Harry but because he is so weak it will drain his power and kill him as well.

[Nossist]

this topic is similar to a topic i wrote earlier, but i still think that harry pushes himself and voldemort into the veil of darkness however if you fall into the veil is it really dieing? or just being lost in eterniy or something.
plus JKR said that 2 characters will be killed but if harry sacrifices himself it means one character is killed (voldemort if its counted as dieing) and one character dies but isnt killed.
Also the theory with neville sacrificing himself, i dont think it will happen, neville is an important character yeah, but he doesnt know that the prophecy was for him and harry and i dont think he'll sacrifice himself because there so much going on with other characters that readers will find more interesting eg. wormtail...snape...lupin etc and neville is like a random character from the background.

[harrypotteraddic...]

this topic is similar to a topic i wrote earlier, but i still think that harry pushes himself and voldemort into the veil of darkness however if you fall into the veil is it really dieing? or just being lost in eterniy or something.
plus JKR said that 2 characters will be killed but if harry sacrifices himself it means one character is killed (voldemort if its counted as dieing) and one character dies but isnt killed.
Also the theory with neville sacrificing himself, i dont think it will happen, neville is an important character yeah, but he doesnt know that the prophecy was for him and harry and i dont think he'll sacrifice himself because there so much going on with other characters that readers will find more interesting eg. wormtail...snape...lupin etc and neville is like a random character from the background.

maybe, like it was suggested before that harry and V cant live while the other survives, so maybe because harry and V are connected by the curse (harry's scar) if harry tries to kill voldermort the curse would backfire.
so thats why V might endup falling through the veil, he is not really dead but he would cease to exist in harry's world.
but the veil was found in the ministry how on earth will they eventually end up fighting there? they have the prophecy what else is in there that V or Harry needs?
again to emphasise the point in which harry cant really kill V and vice versa because they are connected, in all the books i dont remember a part in which harry was ever cursed by voldermort(other than the avada kedavra that backfired in HP1)
i mean everytime V would cast a curse on harry (ex crucio) something would happen preventing it form reaching harry maybe that was a hint in the book becasue jk rowling couldnt allow a curse to reach harry that was made by V because she woudl be killling both of them. and incase anybody says that bellatrix casted the crucio spell on harry and V was not affected i think thst because the curse has to be from either V or Harry

[Perseus_Evans]

to harrypotteraddict{liza} you really need to start reading through other posts because everything you keep presenting as your theory has been brought up over and over again in other posts and its so disrespectful of the people who have been on the boards for months and months to pretend that you suddenly have so much more insight on harry potter that you think your rambling is somehow going to show how very very wonderful you are and how you are the first one to see whats really going on when whats really happening is that you sound like a girl on a reality tv show thats had too much coffee and too much money at her disposal for her entire life to the point where you can't ever stop talking and talking and talking and talking so please please please try to stop your incessant blather for five seconds or at least long enough to read through all the theories that have come before you and the posts that others have meticulously explained through well-thought-out arguments with real live punctuation and words and everything because if you don't i will have no choice but to constantly make fun of you until the mods ban one of us...

[Nossist]

maybe, like it was suggested before that harry and V cant live while the other survives, so maybe because harry and V are connected by the curse (harry's scar) if harry tries to kill voldermort the curse would backfire.
so thats why V might endup falling through the veil, he is not really dead but he would cease to exist in harry's world.
but the veil was found in the ministry how on earth will they eventually end up fighting there? they have the prophecy what else is in there that V or Harry needs?
again to emphasise the point in which harry cant really kill V and vice versa because they are connected, in all the books i dont remember a part in which harry was ever cursed by voldermort(other than the avada kedavra that backfired in HP1)
i mean everytime V would cast a curse on harry (ex crucio) something would happen preventing it form reaching harry maybe that was a hint in the book becasue jk rowling couldnt allow a curse to reach harry that was made by V because she woudl be killling both of them. and incase anybody says that bellatrix casted the crucio spell on harry and V was not affected i think thst because the curse has to be from either V or Harry

Wasn't harry cursed with Crucio in book 4 by voldemort? maybe its only the avada kedavra curse that will have any effect on the bond between voldemort and harry because that was what connected them in the first place.

[the_prisoner_of_...]

i mean everytime V would cast a curse on harry (ex crucio) something would happen preventing it form reaching harry maybe that was a hint in the book becasue jk rowling couldnt allow a curse to reach harry that was made by V because she woudl be killling both of them. and incase anybody says that bellatrix casted the crucio spell on harry and V was not affected i think thst because the curse has to be from either V or Harry

The reason none of the curses cast by Voldemort reached Harry in the earlier books is because if JKR killed Harry or Voldemort, then what what be the point in her writing the last book?

if harry tries to kill voldermort the curse would backfire.

There is no counter spell for avada kedavra. The reason Harry survived, by my understanding, was due to a specific spell cast by Lilly in order to provide a protection for her son. A protection specifically provided by love and sacrafice. Now, Harry and Voldemort may be connected, but that doesn't mean what happens to one will happen to the other. Harry's life is different to Voldemort's in that he has the ability to love. The way I see it, the only way for Voldemort to have Avada Kedava backfire onto Harry, would be if Harry first killed someone whom Voldemort loved. So, a. Harry is highly unlikely to kill any one unless it has a real purpose (the spell needs intent and Harry isn't a murderer) and b. Voldemort doesn't have the ability to love.

[Nossist]

Maybe Harry wont be able to kill voldemort, for example in book 3 when harry was under the impression that Sirius sold his parents out to voldemort harry had a chance to kill sirius, he didnt take this chance (maybe he didnt know how to kill back then) but i was thinking, would harry kill voldemort if he is at harry's mercy?

[the_prisoner_of_...]

The only thing is, I can't see Voldemort ever being at Harry's mercy. I don't think it'll play out that way, because I think it would weaken Voldemorts character. Of course I could be wrong (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

And no, Harry didn't know about Avada Kedavra until book 4.

[Nossist]

The only thing is, I can't see Voldemort ever being at Harry's mercy. I don't think it'll play out that way, because I think it would weaken Voldemorts character. Of course I could be wrong (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

And no, Harry didn't know about Avada Kedavra until book 4.

I was thinking that once Harry starts destroying the horcruxes maybe voldemort will get weaker because his souls are being destroyed and when all the horcruxes are gone and voldemort is left he could be really weak and all harry has to do is kill voldemort.

btw does anyone think that the 2 people who die wont be harry or voldemort? i mean i think its a bit to obvious when it was released that 2 people die, i think JKR wants readers to beleive that harry and LV are the two that die but instead another two characters die.

[baty4potter]

I can't remember where the interview is, but I think JK said she spared one, that she was going to kill, and she killed off two others. And... When asked if it was a major character, she said something to the effect..... *Well you wouldn't kill of an extra would you?* ..... Not an exact quote, but you get where she is coming from.

As for the horcruxes, JK did eludes to the fact that the horcruxes were the key to killing Voldemort.

Interview.....

MA: Here at the end you sort of get the feeling that we know what Harry’s setting out to do, but can this really be the entire throughline of the rest of the story?
JKR: It's not all of it. Obviously it's not all of it, but still, that is the way to kill Voldemort. That's not to say it won't be extremely an torturous and winding journey, but that's what he's got to do. Harry now knows — well he believe he knows – what he’s facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, ‘There are four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for Voldemort.’ So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.
ES: It's a tall order.
JKR: It's a huge order. But Dumbledore has given him some pretty valuable clues and Harry, also, in the course of previous six books has amassed more knowledge than he realizes. That's all I am going to say.
ES: It seems like it would be impossible. If Harry had gone to the cave, he never could have done it on his own, it seems like.
JKR: Well, I'm prepared to bet you now, that at least before the week is out, at least one of the Horcruxes will have been correctly identified by careful re-readers of the books.
MA: Someone put it to me last night, that if Ginny, with the diary -
JKR: Harry definitely destroyed that piece of soul, you saw it take shape, you saw it destroyed, it’s gone. And Ginny is definitely in no way possessed by Voldemort.

[Hermione@13]

Also the theory with neville sacrificing himself, i dont think it will happen, neville is an important character yeah, but he doesnt know that the prophecy was for him and harry and i dont think he'll sacrifice himself because there so much going on with other characters that readers will find more interesting eg. wormtail...snape...lupin etc and neville is like a random character from the background.

I don't think that Neville will sacrifice himself for Harry because of the Prophesy, but because he cares about Harry( in a non-suss way!)and he seems to be braver than we think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) V, at the end, may be stupid enough to try to just kill him like that! This is my theory.

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Didn't JKR says she was killing off an "extra two". Like two she didn't originally plan to die as well as others.

[baty4potter]

Didn't JKR says she was killing off an "extra two". Like two she didn't originally plan to die as well as others.

Ok, didn't I state that above? This is what she said courtesy of www....

Jo: The final chapter is hidden away, although it has now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die ...

This post has been edited by baty4potter: Jan 22 2007, 07:02 AM

[the_prisoner_of_...]

Thanks Batty, yes that's the quote I meant. So all this "two death" talk needs to take into consideration that if she didn't originally intend these two to die, it means that neither of them are probably Voldemort or Harry, as of course she always intended one of them to die.

It's something she changes in the last chapter. Two extra people died when she went back and rewrote it. Thus, these two extra people are probably not Harry or Voldemort.

[Nossist]

I thought its just two people that die?
Or is it two people plus Harry or Voldemort?
I think its going to be just two people, because when the news headlines came out it said that two characters are going to be killed off in the final book and one is going to be spared.

[baty4potter]

I thought its just 2 people that die?
Or is it 2 people plus Harry or Voldemort?
I think its going to be just 2 people, because when the news headlines came out it said that 2 characters are going to be killed off in the final book and one is going to be spared.

Ok, this is her quote *again*.... Two *More* will be killed off......... Hope this helps.......................

Jo: The final chapter is hidden away, although it has now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die ...

[Hermione@13]

I think that V was one of the two characters that are going to die. She may have been planning a different fate for him, but maybe she just decided to just let him die. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/closedeyes.gif)

[the_prisoner_of_...]

I think its going to be just two people, because when the news headlines came out it said that two characters are going to be killed off in the final book and one is going to be spared.

Ok here we go.

The media twists everything. Go by what Jo said and not by what you hear from other sources. Nothing is true unless it's said directly by Jo. Look at what she said; "two she didn't plan to die". It's the final battle, the final book, remember what Voldemort was like last time, heaps of people died. With all the order and all the DE's working to destroy each other, it's safe to say more then two people will die in this book. These are two people she didn't INTEND to die when planning the books and Jo plans pretty meticulasly.