The Chamber of Death, What's beyond the mysterious Veil in the Department of Mysteries? Options

[I love Lupin]

I had to think a lot before starting this topic but I finally decided that I should. So here's a topic where you can let loose all that info on what you think is behind the Veil. Please send your theories!!

[PotterGirl101]

behind the veil??? i am honestly not sure might they be spirits? this very well be "the veil" that separates this world from the next...and the fact that the veil is so thin tells me that not much separates the two "worlds" and Sirius wasn't on the other side when he fell through tells you that some powerful force or powerful magic surrounds this old archway

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Personally, I think the possibility of the area behind the veil being the Deathly Hallows is quite good based on this definition of Hallows from Google:

The beginning of the Witches' Year, when the Veil Between the Worlds grows thin and the spirits of the dead may return to Earth.

[msricenbeans]

wow...i hadn't even considered what might be behind the veil...i like the deathly hallows theory...and if it's a "place", a something that can be named, perhaps even if harry ends up dying we can see him being reunited with sirius and his parents...it might take the sting out of that very unfortunate possibility...

[baty4potter]

iareaj had put something up like this not to long ago, and it made so much sense to me. Which I think she was spot on, and WWW your definition you got from Google made even more sense.

I don't think we've seen the last of the veil, and quite frankly I have a feeling this will be where Voldemort meets his demise.

[Hermione@13]

I don't think someone actually dies when they go through the Veil, but simply suffers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crying.gif) I know, I know! What a horrible thing to happen to Sirius, but anything's possible.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

iareaj had put something up like this not to long ago, and it made so much sense to me. Which I think she was spot on, and WWW your definition you got from Google made even more sense.

I don't think we've seen the last of the veil, and quite frankly I have a feeling this will be where Voldemort meets his demise.

Iareaj thinks the people behind the veil are the Hallows, I think it's the place where the people are at. Watch, we'll both be wrong. LOL! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Oh, and my second chance crack at it, I think the Hallows may also be a battleground. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I most definitely think we'll see the veil again. It would just be odd to have her introduce it to us and not have us find out who and/or what was making those sounds behind it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) To be quite honest, I'd be very happy it it were to turn out that the Veil was actually a Lethifold and the sounds that were heard were it's tummy rumbles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif) Won't happen, but it'd be awful funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Sorry, it's late and I'm in a weird mood tonight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

[baty4potter]

Iareaj thinks the people behind the veil are the Hallows, I think it's the place where the people are at. Watch, we'll both be wrong. LOL! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Oh, and my second chance crack at it, I think the Hallows may also be a battleground. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I most definitely think we'll see the veil again. It would just be odd to have her introduce it to us and not have us find out who and/or what was making those sounds behind it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) To be quite honest, I'd be very happy it it were to turn out that the Veil was actually a Lethifold and the sounds that were heard were it's tummy rumbles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif) Won't happen, but it'd be awful funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Sorry, it's late and I'm in a weird mood tonight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Yeah she did think it was the people, but the people make up the veil so it is possible for it to be interpreted that way, which I did. And yes, Hallows would be considered a place not a person, uffduh to me. ;~) It could be so many different things, but just thinking about it, if it goes by way of the traditional definition... To respect or honor greatly; revere... It could also mean a grave yard... Which in that sense it would be to honor the dead that are there. Who knows for sure at this point? JK has us all turned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/upsidedown.gif) on this one. I do know one thing for sure; we will discuss that also no matter what, well let me clarify that... That is if it has NOTHING to do with the death of one of my kids. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif)

[Nossist]

Maybe its a passage to another world. Dumbledore says death is but the next adventure (or something like that) maybe he was reffering to the veil, maybe beyond the veil there could be like a parallel universe or something, maybe to archway and veil could be made by someone thousands of years ago and some old sort of magic could be in it, who knows it could be the origin of magic.
But probably not because the room in which the archway is in is called the "death chamber" if it was a room of new life it could be called the "life chamber" oh well, I guess we'll find out in a few months.

[I love Lupin]

As the starter of this topic, I am entitled to have my say, and anyway I think that everyone that you know who has died or you've seen died is behind the Veil. Kind of like the Thestrals which you can only see when you've seen someone die, you can only hear the voices when you've heard of someone die / seen someone die. Like Harry, Luna and Neville could hear people and they've all seen people die.

[PotterGirl101]

that's an interesting thought I love Lupin and Nossit could it be both of those? if it is a passage then could people come back to the "tip" of the veil and whisper?

[Witherwings]

that's an interesting thought I love Lupin and Nossit could it be both of those? if it is a passage then could people come back to the "tip" of the veil and whisper?

If The Deathly Hallows is what lies beyond the veil, it will match Rowling's inconsistencies book to book. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all - she comes up with really ludicrous explanations why she doesn't mention certain concepts (like the thestrals) earlier in the series. Why wouldn't she have mentioned the veil as the Deathly Hallows where one can commune with the dead all the way back in book five? Certainly DD would have told this to Harry earlier (logically) to help him understand he could communicate with Sirius at the beginning of the witches' year (which would have then appeared in book six). But, of course, she doesn't really map out the entire series and has to go back and explain her inconsistencies as "I wasn't ready" or "well, it's because Harry needed time to process the death of Cedric and that's why he couldn't see the thestrals in book four but could in book five". Also, she's told us that not everything is going to be answered in the final installment of the book leaving room for continued debate. That basically tells us she isn't going to be able to tie up all of her loose ends - so perhaps we'll never know what lies beyond the veil.

Sorry, I know I'm being critical, but when a writer can't fully map out a story and has too many inconsistencies, it weakens the power of the story. I just hope Deathly Hallows is more powerful than the title would indicate.

"Like Harry, Luna and Neville could hear people and they've all seen people die."
Sorry, but who has Neville seen die? His parents and his grandmother are alive. I wasn't aware he saw anyone die.

This post has been edited by Witherwings: Apr 10 2007, 09:54 PM

[the_prisoner_of_...]

If The Deathly Hallows is what lies beyond the veil, it will match Rowling's inconsistencies book to book. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all - she comes up with really ludicrous explanations why she doesn't mention certain concepts (like the thestrals) earlier in the series.

Firstly, if JKR was to tell us everything about everything in her books, then there could be no suprises, no expantion in her later books. Or, conversly, you could just look at the series as one long book. Because I'm pretty sure that's how she planned it, its a continuing story and of course things are going to be expanded on as the books go on, when she has more room to write on them, or they simply fit better. Why not mention the Threstrals earlier? She had no reason to and it didn't further the story. With the death of Cedric though, it gave her an avenue to write about it which simply didn't exist in the earlier books. If she wanted them to be something you could only see when you've seen someone die, she had to first make that happen for Harry.

Why wouldn't she have mentioned the veil as the Deathly Hallows where one can commune with the dead all the way back in book five? Certainly DD would have told this to Harry earlier (logically) to help him understand he could communicate with Sirius at the beginning of the witches' year (which would have then appeared in book six).

Why would Dumbledore tell Harry in book 5? For starters as far as we know you can't actually communicate with the dead. You can just hear them whispering.

But, of course, she doesn't really map out the entire series and has to go back and explain her inconsistencies as "I wasn't ready" or "well, it's because Harry needed time to process the death of Cedric and that's why he couldn't see the thestrals in book four but could in book five". Also, she's told us that not everything is going to be answered in the final installment of the book leaving room for continued debate. That basically tells us she isn't going to be able to tie up all of her loose ends - so perhaps we'll never know what lies beyond the veil.

She did map out the series.She's said so numerous times. JKR is not perfect and of course she is going to have inconsistencies. Also, Cedric died at the end of book 4 yes? Did Harry actually encounter a Thestral between then and the beginning of book 6?

And no, we may not know what is behind the veil but that's JKR's prerogative. She writes the books as she sees fit.

"Like Harry, Luna and Neville could hear people and they've all seen people die."
Sorry, but who has Neville seen die? His parents and his grandmother are alive. I wasn't aware he saw anyone die

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Sorry, but Neville did see someone die. He saw his Grandfather die. From OOTP;
'You can see the Thestrals, Longbottom, can you?' she said.
Neville nodded.
'Who did you see die?' she asked, her tone indifferent.
'My… my grandad,' said Neville.


This post has been edited by the_prisoner_of_azkaban: Apr 10 2007, 10:40 PM

[baty4potter]

Prisoner_of_azkaban did a great job of answering Witherwings but I will add a few of my thoughts to this.

1. In the first place, when you write a series this long there are going to be inconsistencies. It would be almost impossible for there not to be.

2. Dumbledore didn't tell Harry everything. He even admitted it. He withheld information from Harry, until it was necessary, or until he was mature enough to handle it, and even at that DD didn't get to tell him all he needed to know. Also, did Dumbledore even know what is behind the veil? How would anyone know if they hadn't been there, it would only be an assumption. Wouldn't it?

3. She did say she would try and tie things up at the end, but things just grew for her so there would be no way to be able to do so. I'm just hoping she'll be able to tie the important things up.

As for the veil, I feel it will will be an important part of the last book. Then again I've been wrong before. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)

I also saw your predictions of who will die. It's interesting how you put percentages on the deaths. I really don't think we can be 99% sure of anything, or even 80% sure, JK always has a way of surprising us.

As for the title.... I think Deathly Hallows is not a disappointment, it has people really in suspense about what it means. I have a feeling no matter what the title JK wouldn't have been able to please everyone.

And if this series wouldn't have been as popular as it was the story line might not have grown as much as it did. Though she did say she was writing the books for herself, so maybe they would have anyway.

[hpdh72107]

I think that it's the after-life beyond the veil. What I mean is, I think that's where some wizards go when they die.

I had never really thought of this until the title for the final book was released. Then it got me to thinking... most people are thinking of "Hallows" to mean "to make or set apart as holy" or something of that nature. That leads them to thinking about the Horcruxes. That could be the case.

However, I'm thinking that it could be referring to All Hallows Eve... the time when the veil to the after-life is the thinnest. Therefore, there may be a way for Sirius to return, or Harry will return there and see Sirius thru the veil (with it being thin and all) and be able to talk to him about something important. That could just be wishful thinking, though... LoL

But, I really do think it's some sort of after-life behind the veil. Like, not heaven or heck, but sort of an in-between place. Kinda like a purgatory. I guess we'll know in July, though, huh? Hehehe

I can't wait! :-)

[Witherwings]

But, I really do think it's some sort of after-life behind the veil. Like, not heaven or heck, but sort of an in-between place. Kinda like a purgatory. I guess we'll know in July, though, huh? Hehehe

What is behind the veil isn't the power the dark lord knows not, right? The power that's supposed to be inside Harry in overwhelming quantities and that the Ministry studies. Or is "love" in another room altogether? OotP: "'There is a room in the Department of Mysteries,' interrupted Dumbledore, 'that is kept locked at all times. It contains a force that is at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, than human intelligence, than forces of nature. It is also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there. Is it the power held within that room that you possess in such quantities. . .'" (HC, 843). It would be interesting to see this room be the final battle ground for Harry and LV.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

What is behind the veil isn't the power the dark lord knows not, right? The power that's supposed to be inside Harry in overwhelming quantities and that the Ministry studies. Or is "love" in another room altogether? OotP: "'There is a room in the Department of Mysteries,' interrupted Dumbledore, 'that is kept locked at all times. It contains a force that is at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, than human intelligence, than forces of nature. It is also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there. Is it the power held within that room that you possess in such quantities. . .'" (HC, 843). It would be interesting to see this room be the final battle ground for Harry and LV.

No. What is behind the veil is not what the DOM studies in the locked room. "Love" is in another room. The room, in my opinion, that they tried to get into while in the spinning room, that was locked.

I have also pondered as to whether the final battle will take place in that room. I've wondered if it's possible that Harry can project the love that he has inside himself into V and kill him while in that room. And the US cover is pretty "sunny" if you know what I mean. I've also wondered if it isn't possible that where they are at on that cover is the "love" room.

[Witherwings]

No. What is behind the veil is not what the DOM studies in the locked room. "Love" is in another room. The room, in my opinion, that they tried to get into while in the spinning room, that was locked.

I have also pondered as to whether the final battle will take place in that room. I've wondered if it's possible that Harry can project the love that he has inside himself into V and kill him while in that room. And the US cover is pretty "sunny" if you know what I mean. I've also wondered if it isn't possible that where they are at on that cover is the "love" room.

I look forward to seeing what's behind this locked door. Obviously Rowling has saved this room for the last book.

[the_prisoner_of_...]

She might not tell us at all, it may not be important or key to the story.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

I'm really hoping it is important since they do study love in there and love is such a high priority in these books. I really want it to come into play, and not just because of my own theories concerning that room either, lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)