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[Mathias_thechose...]

Check what I found guys, I think you'll be pleased with my finding's, unless this has been previously discussed?



From Wizarding World Press's "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to Harry Potter" comes this shocking theory about how James Potter could be alive in Lupin's body.



Here are the clues JKR leaves for us:


JKR mentions in several interviews that Lupin is her favorite character, and that Lupin made book 3 so important to write.

Unlike everyone else, Lupin never stared at Harry's scar, or mentioned his eyes or resemblance to his father. Lupin addresses Harry by name as if he was already very familiar with him. (Chapter 5)

"'I certainly don't want Harry dead...' An odd shiver passed over his face." (Chapter 17)
That's not just a teacher or friend saying that. JKR must have added that second bit for a reason.


Lupin enters the room in "a shower of red sparks." (Chapter 17)
Throughout the series Harry is indundated with clues that he might be a heir of Gryffindor, and if he is, that probably means James was before him, which would explain the red sparks. Also, a shower of red and gold sparks came out of Harry's wand when he first tried it.


Lupin, who was "both shaken and pleased," comes over to congratulate Harry on his spectacular Patronus. (Chapter 13)
Lupin must have been "shaken" from seeing that Harry's Patronus is James's own Patronus.


Lupin has "no hesitation" about what Harry's father would think. (Chapter 18)
How can he be so sure about what Harry's father would think?


When Harry tells Lupin he is hearing his mum's voice louder, Lupin looks "paler than usual." Harry then tells Lupin how he hears his his dad's voice for the first time trying to old off Voldemort so his mom could escape. "'You heard James?' said Lupin in a strange voice." (Chapter 12)
Why would Lupin react oddly to Harry hearing James? Because of the strange circumstances he realized it wasn't James saying it, it was Lupin.


Trelawney said that Lupin "positively fled" when she offered to crystal gaze for him. (Chapter 11)
We thought that Lupin fled because he didn't want anyone to find out that he was a werewolf, but later in the story Dumbledore tells Harry that all of the staff had already been told that. He's afraid of something else being exposed -- why else would he run?


Upon hearing that Harry hears his mom being murdered by Voldemort whenever a dementor is near him, Lupin made "a sudden motion with his arm, as though to grip Harry's shoulder, but then thought better of it." (Chapter 10)
For his own safety, he can't afford to let his emotions get the better of him, so he is trying to restrain himself. His emotions will make him weak, and he might let the truth slip. He wants to touch his son so badly but he (wisely) restrains himself.


Lupin says: "Now that we could all transform."
This is arguable, but it would have made more sense for him to say "Now that they could all transform." So why didn't he?



Several times, Harry wonders whether Lupin may be able to read his mind.
If he's his father, of course they are going to have a special bond.


JK Rowling said in a chat that we would never see a live Lily or James Potter. However, if James is in Lupin's body, then we wouldn't be seeing James Potter. We would just know that it's him.

Not sure if this is significant, but Lupin's first name is Remus -- the legendary wolf-child who co-founded Rome with his brother Romulus. Romulus later killed Remus. (More information can be found here.)


This is what might have happened to James and Remus:


As an extra, extra precaution, James and Remus switched bodies using a Switching Spell. (There are numerous references to Switching Spells throughout the series.) This was done without the knowledge of anybody else with the exception of Lily, who may have performed the spell. After the switch, Lupin (in James's body) stayed at Godric's Hollow while James (in Lupin's body) left.

Voldemort attacked, and Lupin (in James's body) was killed. Having no body to switch back to, James was now stuck inside Lupin's werewolf body.

With everything thinking he's Lupin, James is (at least temporarily) safe from Voldemort, who is sure that he's dead. Now that he knows Sirius is innocent, Sirius may be the only one he will trust with the information.

The reason James and Lupin had to take that one extra precaution is still unknown, and is at the heart of mysteries of this series. We know that Voldemort wanted to kill James and Harry, but not necessarily Lily. There is some important reason for keeping James and Harry alive.




PLEASE do not e-mail any of the webmasters personally to debate about this, and keep in mind that this is JUST a theory!


Hope you like the information! 01:) 52:gandalf:

[Styrofoam]

Check what I found guys, I think you'll be pleased with my finding's, unless this has been previously discussed?
From Wizarding World Press's "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to Harry Potter" comes this shocking theory about how James Potter could be alive in Lupin's body.
Here are the clues JKR leaves for us:
JKR mentions in several interviews that Lupin is her favorite character, and that Lupin made book 3 so important to write.

Unlike everyone else, Lupin never stared at Harry's scar, or mentioned his eyes or resemblance to his father. Lupin addresses Harry by name as if he was already very familiar with him. (Chapter 5)

"'I certainly don't want Harry dead...' An odd shiver passed over his face." (Chapter 17)
          That's not just a teacher or friend saying that. JKR must have added that second bit for a reason.
Lupin enters the room in "a shower of red sparks." (Chapter 17)
          Throughout the series Harry is indundated with clues that he might be a heir of Gryffindor, and if he is, that probably means James was before him, which would explain the red sparks. Also, a shower of red and gold sparks came out of Harry's wand when he first tried it.
Lupin, who was "both shaken and pleased," comes over to congratulate Harry on his spectacular Patronus. (Chapter 13)
          Lupin must have been "shaken" from seeing that Harry's Patronus is James's own Patronus.
Lupin has "no hesitation" about what Harry's father would think. (Chapter 18)
          How can he be so sure about what Harry's father would think?
When Harry tells Lupin he is hearing his mum's voice louder, Lupin looks "paler than usual." Harry then tells Lupin how he hears his his dad's voice for the first time trying to old off Voldemort so his mom could escape. "'You heard James?' said Lupin in a strange voice." (Chapter 12)
          Why would Lupin react oddly to Harry hearing James? Because of the strange circumstances he realized it wasn't James saying it, it was Lupin.
Trelawney said that Lupin "positively fled" when she offered to crystal gaze for him. (Chapter 11)
          We thought that Lupin fled because he didn't want anyone to find out that he was a werewolf, but later in the story Dumbledore tells Harry that all of the staff had already been told that. He's afraid of something else being exposed -- why else would he run?
Upon hearing that Harry hears his mom being murdered by Voldemort whenever a dementor is near him, Lupin made "a sudden motion with his arm, as though to grip Harry's shoulder, but then thought better of it." (Chapter 10)
          For his own safety, he can't afford to let his emotions get the better of him, so he is trying to restrain himself. His emotions will make him weak, and he might let the truth slip. He wants to touch his son so badly but he (wisely) restrains himself.
Lupin says: "Now that we could all transform."
          This is arguable, but it would have made more sense for him to say "Now that they could all transform." So why didn't he?
Several times, Harry wonders whether Lupin may be able to read his mind.
          If he's his father, of course they are going to have a special bond.
JK Rowling said in a chat that we would never see a live Lily or James Potter. However, if James is in Lupin's body, then we wouldn't be seeing James Potter. We would just know that it's him.

Not sure if this is significant, but Lupin's first name is Remus -- the legendary wolf-child who co-founded Rome with his brother Romulus. Romulus later killed Remus. (More information can be found here.)
This is what might have happened to James and Remus:
As an extra, extra precaution, James and Remus switched bodies using a Switching Spell. (There are numerous references to Switching Spells throughout the series.) This was done without the knowledge of anybody else with the exception of Lily, who may have performed the spell. After the switch, Lupin (in James's body) stayed at Godric's Hollow while James (in Lupin's body) left.

Voldemort attacked, and Lupin (in James's body) was killed. Having no body to switch back to, James was now stuck inside Lupin's werewolf body.

With everything thinking he's Lupin, James is (at least temporarily) safe from Voldemort, who is sure that he's dead. Now that he knows Sirius is innocent, Sirius may be the only one he will trust with the information.

The reason James and Lupin had to take that one extra precaution is still unknown, and is at the heart of mysteries of this series. We know that Voldemort wanted to kill James and Harry, but not necessarily Lily. There is some important reason for keeping James and Harry alive.
PLEASE do not e-mail any of the webmasters personally to debate about this, and keep in mind that this is JUST a theory!
Hope you like the information! 01:)  52:gandalf:
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VERY VERY interesting. I'm not sure if agree, but its worth the idea

[mhuff13]

Wow. This is VERY interesting. I think that it would make for an amazing plot.

Could also describe another reason why Lupin didn't want to be with Tonks. He didn't want to be with anyone but Lily...although they are holding hands at the funeral.

I like this theory alot!

[Perseus_Evans]

The thing that makes it less likely for me is that I'd have expected to see a Lupin ghost with Lily in the graveyard in GoF... (Priori Incantatum)

Plus she says "Your father is coming." or something like that before he comes out of Voldy's wand... Now why would she say that if it was Lupin...

I'm going to have to say that I like it, but it doesn't make sense.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Sorry, but not possible. From Jo's site:

Did James and Lupin switch bodies before James was killed?
An ingenious theory, but no; James would never have saved himself and left his wife and son to die.

[Witherwings]

Sorry, but not possible. From Jo's site:
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Lupin was, at that point, the only one to care for Harry as a father figure. Dumbledore was certainly keeping his distance. Therefore, I'd never believe it was because Lupin was really James. I think he just owed a great deal to the Potters as they befriended an individual they knew was a werewolf and Lupin carried that special bond with the Potters with Harry. Plus, if Lupin was James, why would he only make an appearance at Book 3 and then not make another one 'til book 5? Why, also, would he have been so harsh in tone to Harry during various parts of book six? It's an interesting idea, but we could also speculate that maybe James wasn't really Harry's father and that Lupin was his real father (ie, adultery or something of the sort). Or better yet, Snape is really Harry's father :o). I like thinking outside the box, but there are other things we need to take into account as well.

[Mathias_thechose...]

Well thanks for that WWW, I found it well lokking up info on Lupin and thought it would be a interesting post, for ideas and stuff for book seven, but now that I know all of that, one of the mods should probably delete this post, if it's taking up to much room? 01:) 52:gandalf:

[crmhpfan]

Check what I found guys, I think you'll be pleased with my finding's, unless this has been previously discussed?
From Wizarding World Press's "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to Harry Potter" comes this shocking theory about how James Potter could be alive in Lupin's body.
Here are the clues JKR leaves for us:
JKR mentions in several interviews that Lupin is her favorite character, and that Lupin made book 3 so important to write.

Unlike everyone else, Lupin never stared at Harry's scar, or mentioned his eyes or resemblance to his father. Lupin addresses Harry by name as if he was already very familiar with him. (Chapter 5)

"'I certainly don't want Harry dead...' An odd shiver passed over his face." (Chapter 17)
          That's not just a teacher or friend saying that. JKR must have added that second bit for a reason.
Lupin enters the room in "a shower of red sparks." (Chapter 17)
          Throughout the series Harry is indundated with clues that he might be a heir of Gryffindor, and if he is, that probably means James was before him, which would explain the red sparks. Also, a shower of red and gold sparks came out of Harry's wand when he first tried it.
Lupin, who was "both shaken and pleased," comes over to congratulate Harry on his spectacular Patronus. (Chapter 13)
          Lupin must have been "shaken" from seeing that Harry's Patronus is James's own Patronus.
Lupin has "no hesitation" about what Harry's father would think. (Chapter 18)
          How can he be so sure about what Harry's father would think?
When Harry tells Lupin he is hearing his mum's voice louder, Lupin looks "paler than usual." Harry then tells Lupin how he hears his his dad's voice for the first time trying to old off Voldemort so his mom could escape. "'You heard James?' said Lupin in a strange voice." (Chapter 12)
          Why would Lupin react oddly to Harry hearing James? Because of the strange circumstances he realized it wasn't James saying it, it was Lupin.
Trelawney said that Lupin "positively fled" when she offered to crystal gaze for him. (Chapter 11)
          We thought that Lupin fled because he didn't want anyone to find out that he was a werewolf, but later in the story Dumbledore tells Harry that all of the staff had already been told that. He's afraid of something else being exposed -- why else would he run?
Upon hearing that Harry hears his mom being murdered by Voldemort whenever a dementor is near him, Lupin made "a sudden motion with his arm, as though to grip Harry's shoulder, but then thought better of it." (Chapter 10)
          For his own safety, he can't afford to let his emotions get the better of him, so he is trying to restrain himself. His emotions will make him weak, and he might let the truth slip. He wants to touch his son so badly but he (wisely) restrains himself.
Lupin says: "Now that we could all transform."
          This is arguable, but it would have made more sense for him to say "Now that they could all transform." So why didn't he?
Several times, Harry wonders whether Lupin may be able to read his mind.
          If he's his father, of course they are going to have a special bond.
JK Rowling said in a chat that we would never see a live Lily or James Potter. However, if James is in Lupin's body, then we wouldn't be seeing James Potter. We would just know that it's him.

Not sure if this is significant, but Lupin's first name is Remus -- the legendary wolf-child who co-founded Rome with his brother Romulus. Romulus later killed Remus. (More information can be found here.)
This is what might have happened to James and Remus:
As an extra, extra precaution, James and Remus switched bodies using a Switching Spell. (There are numerous references to Switching Spells throughout the series.) This was done without the knowledge of anybody else with the exception of Lily, who may have performed the spell. After the switch, Lupin (in James's body) stayed at Godric's Hollow while James (in Lupin's body) left.

Voldemort attacked, and Lupin (in James's body) was killed. Having no body to switch back to, James was now stuck inside Lupin's werewolf body.

With everything thinking he's Lupin, James is (at least temporarily) safe from Voldemort, who is sure that he's dead. Now that he knows Sirius is innocent, Sirius may be the only one he will trust with the information.

The reason James and Lupin had to take that one extra precaution is still unknown, and is at the heart of mysteries of this series. We know that Voldemort wanted to kill James and Harry, but not necessarily Lily. There is some important reason for keeping James and Harry alive.
PLEASE do not e-mail any of the webmasters personally to debate about this, and keep in mind that this is JUST a theory!
Hope you like the information! 01:)  52:gandalf:
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hey i was just flicking through and i reckon thats a pretty good theory! 02:D

i noticed with JKR she introduces subtle characters then ,makes them play an important part

so i reckon you could be right there!

im just had a thought

if james is in lupins body

he could be a hocrux?

i dont know it just popped into my head

[Bellezza]

I think Lupin just connects to Harry because he is familiar. He looks like James, acts like him, it's only naturally that he would want to be close and protect him like he would James. He feels sorry for Harry and wants to help be a father figure for him.