Harry's Eyes, Do we finally know why their special? Options

[Ominousshadows]

Well Harry's young fans may not understand symbolism but it's older readers sure do so I think she would put that in for the older reader and the young readers can just think whatever they want...lol

But I do like the theory about the opposite of a horcrux.......interesting.....

[cobrady]

But I don't see why JKR would call it a spell for no reason. Maybe Lily did the opposite of a Horcrux, by putting her life or love into him. Im not saying that shes making herself invincible or living through Harry, pretty much the opposite: she weakened herself in order to protect her son. And Ive heard a saying that the eyes are the windows of the soul, and even if that sounds kind of corny you have to admit that they kind of identify a person. Sorry if this was all pointless, it sounds kind of like what other people were saying, but I know its different its just hard to put into words.
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I just got chills. What if Lily's soul is living inside Harry. . . Could she come back? Or is that the extra life HP will need when he is laying dead on the ground. Does that love/soul bring him back to life.

[hpfan69]

here's a thought, harry's green eye's are, i think, there going to show us when he is at his most powerfull state when he finaly duels voldemort. we will see all the energy come threw them and he will be accompanied by his mothers spirit and i think others as well inside him in order to defeat voldemort. and how will we know this is when his eye's get brighter green.

any thoughts?

but i do agree with bunny c with here reply on Aug. 5th, that i too had expected something more dramatic with his eye's. i think we can all agree we all thought that it had to do with his mum. not that it hasn't been mentioned threw out all the books with the comparing of his looks with his father and his eye's with his mother and everyone enficiesed mainly on his eye's.

[hphd501]

that makes sense!

[Wizard From Aus]

I expected it to be something more dramatic than that, but it's a good
theory.  I was re-reading the book last night;  the part about Harry using
the bezoar stone, and how Slughorn gushed about it and compared Harry's
abilities with Lily's, I felt there's more going on here than meets the eye.
All along we've heard that Lily was excellent at Charms, but now all of a
sudden we're hearing from Slughorn that Lily was one of his all-time best
at Potions.  This makes me feel that Lily had a close friendship with
Snape and that he allowed Lily to share the same Potions Book that Harry is
now using.
When James used Snape's own invention to hang him upside down by the foot,
maybe the reason for Snape insulting Lily was because he thought she'd betrayed
him by giving it to James?
A lot of 'ifs' I know, but it's fun speculating.
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This has also got me thinking.
Could it be that Harrys mother and Snape are related.
MMMM,food for thought.

[baty4potter]

This has also got me thinking.
Could it be that Harrys mother and Snape are related.
MMMM,food for thought.
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Oh now, wouldn't that be a twist in the story? LOL

[hpfan69]

oh 24:angel: help us all if it is true 02:lol: 02:lol: 02:lol: 02:lol:

[Horncheese]

I started a thread a couple of months ago about this same subject but that was before HBP came out. I believe that Voldemort knew Lily and James more than just killing them. After all, it says in the prophecy:
"Born of the people who thrice defied him". We still havn't heard anything about how they defied him. Maybe they destroyed one of the horcuxes. This is what I really think.

[hpfan69]

horncheese, (by the way, i like your name 02:D )

i agree, we don't know "how" they defied voldemort. it will be intresting to learn if JKR will devolge that information. unless she feels it is pointless to mention. we could guess that, like harry, they must have thrawt him by the skin of there teeth. so like dd, voldemort had a spy, wormtail, and he found out about the secret keeper. so he had wormtail convince sirius to making him the secret keeper. but the intresting part of it all is that voldemort never wanted to really kill lily. why? and another thing, why did voldemort choose harry as his equal?? why not nevile? were lily and james that powerfull compared to the longbottoms that he thought harry would be more of a threat? maybe once voldemort and harry finaly are face to face that voldemort will see lily in harry's eyes and think of that last moment when he killed her and wished that his mother would have loved him enough to have lived for him as lily loved harry that much that she died for him?

i know i am a rambeling along here. sorry! once thoughts start in my head i have to get them out.

any thoughts on this?? anyone!

[Hermione@13]

Well, this might be a little far-fetched, but what if Lily was evil in her day. What if V killed her for the reason Snape killed DD. Mabe that's why V made Snape his equal because they used the same plan. Snape didn't want to blow his cover. Wait! Then Lily would've been evil and DD would've been evil!Then that clarifies my theory of DD being evil!Then maybe V's eyes are red because red eyed look malicious and he never had green eyes.

[Dijares]

Well, this might be a little far-fetched, but what if Lily was evil in her day. What if V killed her for the reason Snape killed DD. Mabe that's why V made Snape his equal because they used the same plan. Snape didn't want to blow his cover. Wait! Then Lily would've been evil and DD would've been evil!Then that clarifies my theory of DD being evil!Then maybe V's eyes are red because red eyed look malicious and he never had green eyes.
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No, JKR has already stated that there was no reason for him to kill her, other than she got in the way.

[Sfly510]

Well, this might be a little far-fetched, but what if Lily was evil in her day. What if V killed her for the reason Snape killed DD. Mabe that's why V made Snape his equal because they used the same plan. Snape didn't want to blow his cover. Wait! Then Lily would've been evil and DD would've been evil!Then that clarifies my theory of DD being evil!Then maybe V's eyes are red because red eyed look malicious and he never had green eyes.
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I couldn't follow this if I tried. 02:D

[Horncheese]

Well, this might be a little far-fetched, but what if Lily was evil in her day. What if V killed her for the reason Snape killed DD. Mabe that's why V made Snape his equal because they used the same plan. Snape didn't want to blow his cover. Wait! Then Lily would've been evil and DD would've been evil!Then that clarifies my theory of DD being evil!Then maybe V's eyes are red because red eyed look malicious and he never had green eyes.
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How could Dumbledore be evil. He has spent his life stopping evil. Although at one stage I had this theory that Dumbledore was Tom Riddle/Voldemort. But that fell through when I read the books. lol

[mischief managed]

okay...snape and lily are not related in any way. ummm...james and snape may be related though. as you know, snapes mother was it, was a pure blood, and james was also a pure blood. serius said when he was talking to harry, that all pure blood's are related in some way. Maybe that is why serius hated james as well.

just clearing that up, i remeber someone saying something about lily and snape being related, and im pretty sure a mudblood and a son of a prueblood are not related

[potter_freak24]

ok, I don't think Snape and Lily are related. I think that Snape had a thing (maybe even loved) Lily. But it was one of those love hate thing. because they were both really good at potions and Lily was Slughorne's favorite and I bet Snape was too. But that is just what I have gotten out of the books. Oh, and Snape isn't a pure blood remember the Half Blood Price his mom(Prince) was a pure blood and married a muggle dad (Snape) so he is only a half blood.

And as for Harry's eyes if you notice Harry acts more like his mom (from what I can gather). Remember his dad was more of a bully and his mom a protector. This is shown in the OofP when he was in the memory snape tried to hide, where James was picking on Snape for no reason and Lily tryed to stop it. Now I know this might be a bad anology, but James acts a little like Malfoy and Lily acts like Harry. Kind of remindes me on Malfoy picking on Neville Longbottom.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Also with Harry's eyes has anyone thought that Lily might have some wizard blood, meaning that she has some anciesters that were magical. Her eyes might have ment just that, she is a natural at ancient magic and passed that onto Harry.

I also was wondering about how James knew that spell to hang Snape by his leg. He might have known it if Snape used it on him earlier or if James had stole his book or What if Snape just wrote it in his book and he wasn't the one who invented it at all. Snape admitts to inventing the spell Harry used on Malfoy but not to the other one. So that is one possiablity.
At this point I think anything is possible.

[Ramilda]

All good points. I am also trying to decide if the green light Harry saw at the moment of his mother's death was the spell used to kill her, or something to do with the green eyes he is now seeing through.

Maybe it is a literal "having your mother's eyes" as much as a representative one.

[Archina]

Ramilda, that's interesting. Maybe the protective ancient magic follows a sort of "I love you and will always watch over you" concept.. Maybe an effect of the spell is a transfer of the dead person's eye colour to the one they died trying to save - making Harry's eyes green..

[Erised]

All good points. I am also trying to decide if the green light Harry saw at the moment of his mother's death was the spell used to kill her, or something to do with the green eyes he is now seeing through.

Maybe it is a literal "having your mother's eyes" as much as a representative one.

I think the avada kedarva (sp?) spell is followed by a green flash of light. So I don't think it has to do with the Lily's spell.

Also, I think the theory about Lily doing an 'opposite horcrux'-type spell is an excellent theory. I never noticed that Dumbledore called her sacrifice a spell.

[potionsmaster]

i am sure there was a romance but just for one person, snape. i am sure he had strong feelings for lily, more then freindship, but that is all that happened between them. if you think back now, it makes sense that voldemort said to lily that night, step aside, it is not you i want. snape must have told voldemort not to kill lily and voldemort asured him he wouldn't. but they didn't count on her defending her son the way that she did. and when dd was telling harry about the remorse he, snape, felt that they were both killed, your right on that, it was more for lily the remorse then james.

This got me thinking that maybe this is why Voldemort thought he had lost Snape forever, because he wasn't supposed to kill Lily.

I must have been a little dense because I never put much importance into Harry's eyes, other than thinking, "OK, I get it, some part of him looks like his mother!", but the more I read these posts, the more I agree that his eyes must be important in the final battle with V. I have been trying to figure out just how Lily's death and the "old magic" was able to save Harry's life, and maybe it is related to why he does have his mother's eyes.

[Hermione@13]

Okay, well first of all when I looked back at my old theory I thought:what was I thinking?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Now I hopefully have clearer theories, although most of you think my Rosmerta one is a bit off. Anyway, it's possible that Harry would have a sort of vision?