The Marauder's Map, Could it be a Horcrux? Options

[Perseus_Evans]

Ok, this is definitely a longshot, but I've been rereading PoA, since I believe that's the book where the last Horcrux can be found (or at least where we first get a glimpse).

Just what do we know about the Marauder's Map vs. what we've assumed...

We assume that James, Sirius, Remus and Peter created it, but we never get a confirm of that. Just because they have their names on it doesn't mean they created it. I wonder whether maybe they added the magic to blank out the map and add their names after the fact.

The reason I think this could be the case is because there is some seriously powerful magic built in there: Let's review... It's able to track individuals at an essential level, able to see through animagi and polyjuice potions alike. Even DD doesn't have something that, does he... In fact, even the ministry of magic doesn't have the power to track individuals with such precision, since the couldn't catch Sirius, didn't know Dobby was the pudding-levitator, and never could detect Voldy anywhere...

What did Mr Weasley tell Ginny? Something like "Never trust something where you can't see where it keeps its brain." I believe this was to foreshadow the importance of the Map.

We assume the Map is new, but maybe it's old enough to go back to Voldy's Hogwarts times and it was he who actually created the Map...

Or... (drumroll) it was actually created by Godric Gryffindor in the early Hogwart's days to keep track of those unruly slytherin house kids...

I guess that I'm saying it's possible that Peter got the map (or found out about it) from Voldy, after Voldy's voodoo horcrux magic was already performed...

Why you might ask, wouldn't Lupin and DD have noticed it's power while it was in their respective possessions? Perhaps the map has such power that the status as a Horcrux isn't easily noticed...

Ok... bit of a longshot indeed, but you never know with JKR. I actually have a bit more to this theory, but it's too much to write out right now. Just throwing it out there.

[hpdork]

It's not some bad thinking, but I don't think I believe it. I believe the horcruxes are the ones Dumbledore told Harry. And are you sure we never found out that James, Sirius, Lupin, and Peter made the map?

[TheChosenOne]

James and Sirius made the map. It ws mentioned in one of the books.

[Perseus_Evans]

I don't think anyone has ever said that they specifically made the map. We know they had it and at the least put their names on it, but I'm almost positive that no one has talked about its initial creation.

I may be mistaken, as I often am...

baty, www, dij, crut, molly? Do any of you guys remember where the map might have been talked about more? I can't find the place, should it exist.

[baty4potter]

To be honest Perseus, I don't recall JK going into any detail about the map. I'd have to go back and check, but to my knowledge all that was mentioned about it was it belonged to the Marauder's, and the twins nixed it from Filtch, then gave it to Harry.

Maybe Dij, WWW, or Molly have more insite then me.

[Perseus_Evans]

Thanks baty...

I still can't find anything more in PoA... Will start checking the rest later.

I think it's natural to assume that the Marauders made the map...

That's why I wonder, because when JKR convinces the reader to assume something without much detail, I find she often pulls the rug out from under us later... Especially about something as powerful as the Marauder's Map.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

baty, www, dij, crut, molly?  Do any of you guys remember where the map might have been talked about more?  I can't find the place, should it exist.
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"I helped write it." -Lupin POA17 But like I said in your other thread, Lupin interrupts Harry when he is about to ask and confirm to himself that Lupin wrote it and we all know that there have been quite a few times where a character has been interrupted and it held some meaning. 01:)

[Perseus_Evans]

Thanks WWW...

Now that I read it again, I have to say another theory of mine bites the dust... 05:(

The hesitation on Lupin's part could be that he's not telling the whole story of the map's creation, but the way it's timed suggests that it was to avoid mentioning Prongs being James... But who knows?

[Potterfreak92]

i haven't re-read any of the books yet, though i plan to soon, so i don't remember many of the little details. but, i am almost 100% certain i remember reading that james and sirius made the Map.

[roguebludger]

I think it's very strange that the map ever ended up in Filch's office. And I'm sure there is more to it. If a bunch of Griffyndors created the map, it could be a horcrux that represents Griffyndor. Especially if an heir of Griffyndor (James) helped create it. Peter would know about its existence and could share that information with Voldie. But it doesn't seem likely that the map ever left Hogwarts. When Voldemart visits Dumbledore to ask for the DADA job, maybe his real intention was to get the map (or put the map back). Unlikely, but something to chew on. Any theories as to how that map got in Filch's filing cabinet?

[TheChosenOne]

She probably took it away from James and Sirius as they were always up to no good.

[grandcheater]

There is a problem,
Film of H-BP will most likely be finished before
Book 7 is released (GOF and OOP were made in the same summer
cause daniel is growing too fast)

Anyway my point is that the map was cut out of the films
so if it was a horcruxe, JKR would have warned them
so they would have to include it right?
So if it was a horcruxe, word would have leaked
out right? 08:huh:

[baty4potter]

There is a problem,
Film of H-BP will most likely be finished before
Book 7 is released (GOF and OOP were made in the same summer
cause daniel is growing too fast)

Anyway my point is that the map was cut out of the films
so if it was a horcruxe, JKR would have warned them
so they would have to include it right?
So if it was a horcruxe, word would have leaked
out right?  08:huh:
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I hope HBP movie isn't out before the book is released. That would probably mean it'll be at least 4 years before the last book comes out.

And where do you get that GoF And OOTP were made in the same summer? OOTP doesn't start filming until February 2006. So that is not possible. I really don't think they, at this point, are that worried about the age of the kids.

[draco lover]

Back on topic... I think that the map was defintiely made by Lupin, Sirius, James, and Peter because. In PoA...I can't remember the exact wording but it says something like "Proffesor Snape should keep his abnormally large nose out of other peoples business/how did an ugly old git like him become a professor?" and that stuff. If it was made by Voldemort Snape wouldn't have even been born yet.

[roguebludger]

If we can just figure out how that map got in Filch's cabinet, I'm sure it would answer a lot of questions. Who was the caretaker before Filch? Does Mrs. Norris belong to Filch or does she always hang around the current caretaker? Her name is MRS Norris not Miss or Ms. Are there any references to the last name Norris in the books?

A map like that doesn't just get forgotten and left behind by four very resourceful students. There is a reason it was still in the school.

[roguebludger]

I just re-read POA so it was Filch who took it, and Lupin says that the four of them wrote it. But something interesting happens when Harry, sneaking back into Hogwarts from Hogsmede, gets caught by Snape with the map. Snape calls fro Lupin and asks him what he thinks of the map. When Lupin says its probably a Zonkos's product Snape asks him if he thinks it's more likely that he got it "directly from the manufacturers." How does Snape know about this map?

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

I have always thought that it was because of what the map says, Messrs. Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs and how we know that their nicknames for each other weren't exactly concealed from the rest of the school. I mean, they weren't exactly whispering their names to each other in Snape's memory. In fact, I find it a bit odd that when they are discussing the werewolf question and Lupin starts joking about how "he's sitting in my chair" and such, that he wasn't a bit more quiet about it.

[Perseus_Evans]

I thought that was a little strange too, considering that it was Snape's memory. Does that mean Snape knew back then? Or do pensieve memories actually include things that the owner of the memory never actually experienced... It would seem to be the latter I guess.

Still, I think that scene was also to show how the younger versions were careless or arrogant or acting stupid... Lupin's casual behavior suggests he was just as much a rogue as Sirius or James... or maybe just wanted to act that way at the time. Plus a 15 year old werewolf might have not taken his condition as seriously as he should have, thinking maybe it was kind of cool in a way...

Just a thought...

[crmhpfan]

Ok, this is definitely a longshot, but I've been rereading PoA, since I believe that's the book where the last Horcrux can be found (or at least where we first get a glimpse).

Just what do we know about the Marauder's Map vs. what we've assumed...

We assume that James, Sirius, Remus and Peter created it, but we never get a confirm of that.  Just because they have their names on it doesn't mean they created it.  I wonder whether maybe they added the magic to blank out the map and add their names after the fact. 

The reason I think this could be the case is because there is some seriously powerful magic built in there:  Let's review...  It's able to track individuals at an essential level, able to see through animagi and polyjuice potions alike.  Even DD doesn't have something that, does he... In fact, even the ministry of magic doesn't have the power to track individuals with such precision, since the couldn't catch Sirius, didn't know Dobby was the pudding-levitator, and never could detect Voldy anywhere...

What did Mr Weasley tell Ginny?  Something like "Never trust something where you can't see where it keeps its brain."  I believe this was to foreshadow the importance of the Map.

We assume the Map is new, but maybe it's old enough to go back to Voldy's Hogwarts times and it was he who actually created the Map...

Or...  (drumroll) it was actually created by Godric Gryffindor in the early Hogwart's days to keep track of those unruly slytherin house kids...

I guess that I'm saying it's possible that Peter got the map (or found out about it) from Voldy, after Voldy's voodoo horcrux magic was already performed... 

Why you might ask, wouldn't Lupin and DD have noticed it's power while it was in their respective possessions?  Perhaps the map has such power that the status as a Horcrux isn't easily noticed...

Ok... bit of a longshot indeed, but you never know with JKR.  I actually have a bit more to this theory, but it's too much to write out right now.  Just throwing it out there.
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Its a good thought but pretty far fetched

the only bad person who made the map is wormtail

and in all the books (with wormtail in them) it always hints that hes never been bright

and dumbledore told harry the 7 hocruxes

i forgot what they were but anyway

its a good thought though... 03;)

[Bellezza]

I think that I actually like this idea. And I have two theories to add on to it. Well the first one, is that Salazar Slytherin made the map, to keep an eye on those crazy mudbloods, and Voldemort found it somewhere within the castle and made it into a horcrux. OR maybe Godric made it, like you suggested, and this is the item from Gryffindor that Voldemort obtained, and somehow he left it in Hogwarts...or something happened where it ended up at the Black house and Sirius came across it.

I like the idea, because it does seem a little advanced for the young marauders but then again, they did become animagi as well, so I wouldn't put it past them.