 Is book 5 giving hints away to what will happen?, Hints/connections/my theory |
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 Apr 26 2004, 02:10 PM
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A lot of people have noticed connections between things that have happened in the earlier books and what happened in the OOTP so this only leaves me to think that the theres certain parts of OOTP that is giving away hints to what will happen in the end. In book 5 the main focus was on the prophecy and many people have different ideas about what it really means. My original theory is that Harry will die (my sincere apologies to all the devoted HP fans out there who just had a stroke, once again. sorry.). But thinking about everything that has happened over the "years" it leaves me to think that perhaps I have been taking Dumbledores explanation of the prophecy a bit too literally. At first I just took the words as I read them not really considering that they could mean something else.
I took that to mean that one or maybe even both have to die eventually but I do of course realise that the word "kill" might not be quite intended so literally. Something else I have noticed is that the prophecy said that Harry would have the power to defeat Voldemort. I think JK left "kill" out of there on purpose. So I have came to the conclusion that maybe one of them will experience something worse than death. Nevilles character really develops in the OOTP. The way he manages to handle himself was quite brilliant and I felt he really proved himself to be an equal to Harry, (Really did his gran proud me thinks) This may only be the beginning to a number of great things to come from him. The really main point about the prophecy that has got me confused is who it is referring to. It's obviously Voldemort but no one is a pure 100% positive that it is Harry. What about Neville? It would explain his unnatural boost in confidence and bravery. Perhaps JK is setting him up for the biggest battle of his life. Personally I find this theory really appealing, it would really be an amazing and unexpected twist to HP. We, the readers, just need more info about the prophecy or a very clever (far cleverer than what I myself am capable of thinking up) reinterpatation to make this theory totally believable. I relise that Neville saving the day is doubtful but I can't help but think about what would happen if it was Neville. It means that the chances of Harry dying are lower... well unless Harry dies at the hands of old voldy and Neville finishes Voldemort off in revenge. It wouldn't come as too much of a surprise to me if Neville, our unlikely hero, did save the day, somehow i suspect that Jk would love for Longbottom to do something real great coz you have to admit, he's such a loveable character you can't help but sympathise with (you would have to have a heart of stone not to feel sorry for him after all his unfortunate encounters with Snape). I realise that this theory is completely not logical or based on a lot of facts so I can't say I can see it happening.... all I can do is hope. Back to Harry though. Ok, let's just say that the prophecy is referring to Hary and Voldy and Harry has to put a stop to Voldemorts plans to take over the wizarding world. My heart really goes out to poor Harry. It has to be a severe shock to the system to discover you have to kill someone, regardless to how evil and bloodthirsty they may be. If you look back on the other books you know by now that HP has never set out to kill anyone. He may love to see Voldemort dead but that doesn't mean he has it in him to kill. Many people are forgetting that Harry is still young, I cant imagine what he must be going through at such a young age and now he has the knowledge that he has to kill the most feared wizard in history. It woudl be a very powerful and scary prospect for most people. You also have to bare in mind that he doesn't have to kill Voldemort to save himself but the whole of the wizarding world! The responsibilty! Talk about a HUGE burden! Could Harry really kill though? Currenlty I doubt it very much. |
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Apr 26 2004, 02:41 PM
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HP Fan  Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 11 |
I agree with your observation about Harry dieing, and have written a piece on it along time ago.
----------- members.aol.com/dav1dz28/predictions.html#11th ----------- I got the feeling hat Dumbledore could not bring himself to say that Harry has to die to vanquish Voldemort... being that Dumbledore cares Harry so strongly. His only responce is "yes" followed by a tear. I would not be surprised when Harry tells Hermione that she will understand the full meaning behind the prophecy, and refuse to believe it more than ever... An argument that I bring up is that Voldemort would choose to become a ghost rather than die. I always wondered if Neville was with his parents when they where murdered, and then had a Oblivorate charm put on him to make him forget.... and in book 6 or 7, he will start to remember. Dumbledore said himself that it was Harry because Voldemort "Marked him as his equal" (his scar). I don’t think Neville will play any further part to the prophecy. but he will be very brave and probably even a decent wizard. (there has to be something happy to come out of this book if Harry is going to die). My guess is Harry will sacrifice his life to destroy Voldemort, Neville wont play a part. Good post (if you did not put everything in bold... but that’s better than ALL CAPS). |
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Apr 26 2004, 03:15 PM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,037 Joined: 18-March 04 From: U.S. Member No.: 78 |
i don't like neville much. don't know why, i just don't... i would be EXTREMELY irked if after all the heck harry has gone through and all his encounters and escapes from voldy and all the training he has done, that it's not him who kills voldy in the end... i will be EXTREMELY mad if it is neville!! harry deserves to kill voldy more than ANYONE! it's HARRY'S fate, not neville's!!!
this is not in offence to ur theory, i think its good. i'm just saying i would be mad at jk if it was neville! but aren't we sure it IS harry?? cuz when harry says "voldy might have chosen wrong" dd says "ah, harry i'm afraid it IS you"... :blink: |
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Apr 26 2004, 03:21 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 25-April 04 From: ScOtLaNd Member No.: 130 |
Yeh I agree with you there. But can you imagine how shocked the majority of HP fans would be if Neville defeated Voldemort! lol :D |
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Apr 26 2004, 03:24 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 25-April 04 From: ScOtLaNd Member No.: 130 |
I think most people would agree but an unexpected twist in the plot would amuse me. But I've got myself all prepared for Harry to die. I think my theory about Neville is well.... rather farfetched to say the least but hey a girl is allowed to dream. I'll just have to stop myself from crying when Harry or one of the trio dies defending the wizarding world :unsure: |
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Apr 26 2004, 03:39 PM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Admin Posts: 9,278 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 2 |
Maybe the veil will come into play again. But then again, does JK really use something twice.
I could see Harry NOT killing V, but hitting him with a spell that would put him through the veil, or both him and V going into the veil while doing battle. But again this scenario has been played out before with Sirius so I hardly doubt it. |
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Apr 26 2004, 04:03 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 25-April 04 From: ScOtLaNd Member No.: 130 |
Hmm I see your point but if your right my theory about the veil would mean Voldemort would still exist :o
Anyway thats my theory about the veil. Possibly a little on the imaginitive side though. |
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Apr 26 2004, 05:44 PM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Admin Posts: 9,278 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 2 |
Hey, that'd mean JK could continue with the story if she wanted to. :D ;) |
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Apr 26 2004, 06:24 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,577 Joined: 21-February 04 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 1 |
Yes, I know thes e books (thanks to Baty!), but first regarding Neville . . . DD has stated that Harry is the one. V does not want to die, so will definitely beocme a ghost and still have people following him. So, therefore this MUST NOT happen. I believe that the veil (that is located in the Death Room) is definitely a doorway to another dimension - neither here nor there, and stuck between. Therefore, I think that Harry will have V go through the veil, and then must destroy the veil (and perhaps any last chance of having contact with Sirius). It will be like having sirius die all over again.
Sure, she has - she always has to introduce something in order for it to be used again. Like the mirror of erised, the sneakascopes, the invisibility cloaks and other things. this was our introduction to it, and we must know something of it in order to understand it if this is what is to occur. Greath idea, btw = keep it going! :lol: |
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Apr 27 2004, 01:18 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 25-April 04 From: ScOtLaNd Member No.: 130 |
:( reality sucks. lol I'll just keep on dreaming though :rolleyes: |
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Apr 27 2004, 01:31 PM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 3,424 Joined: 22-February 04 From: LONDON BABY! Member No.: 24 |
about sirius not coming back. i think thats something we have to live with, i dont think he will ever come back as sirius. not in a painting or anything that looks like sirius anyway. could maybe the viel be a kinda sorting place. like the people that end up going through it have anotherchance, and people that die can then comeback to life, but not as themselves with the souls of whpever went in to the viel. THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER COME UP WITH SO DONT DISS!lol
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Apr 27 2004, 01:46 PM
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;like in teh first book when neville clinches the house cup for them with the final ten points or something. perhaps history will repeat its self and neville will cast the killer spell of voldermort or something spectacular like that.
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Apr 27 2004, 02:25 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 25-April 04 From: ScOtLaNd Member No.: 130 |
There's just so many possibilities! And so many different theories people have came up with and a lot of them are very possible. JK Rowling always manages to surprise me and I think the ending will be something amazing and unpredictable. I wish I had the talent writing skills JK has. :upsidedown:
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Apr 27 2004, 10:07 PM
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Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Australia Member No.: 16 |
That's good Sleeping Beauty.......it could also mean that DD doesn't like Harry's chances, pitted against Voldemort, because Voldy is an expert at magic whereas Harry's still a boy with limited experience. As for Harry dying, I don't really want to believe it but two quotes from DD regarding death seem significant. He says to Harry: ' After all, to the well-organised mind, death is but the next great adventure'. (can't find the second quote) So is he preparing Harry for death or predicting his own death??? |
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Apr 28 2004, 06:48 AM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Texas Member No.: 32 |
Well, call me optimistic, but I think DD's tear and sadness are related to the burden he is putting on Harry. DD has carried the burden up to now and he is hoisting it on Harry's not-quite-a-man shoulders! I don't think Harry will die; however, I have enough doubts to keep me in suspense till the bitter end! :unsure:
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Apr 28 2004, 09:04 AM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,001 Joined: 24-February 04 From: England Member No.: 37 |
Surely if the prophecy meant that when one was killed so would the other, Harry would have been sacrificed by now? Even with permission from the Potters? And when DD sat down and told Harry "it was time to tell him" what he should have known since his entrance to Hogwarts, he wouldn't have left that piece of information out, not after everything that had happen in the book and in the series!!
Oh, and Harry will die. :) |
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Apr 28 2004, 12:11 PM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,174 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 5 |
Here is my theory: Harry and Neville will work together in a final stand against Voldie and Harry will make the ultimate sacrifice and die in battle with Voldie (he dies too of course!). Neville will be left to be DADA teacher at Hogwarts. I don't like it, it is just what I think will happen. |
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Apr 28 2004, 02:53 PM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 4,050 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Southampton, United Kingdom. Member No.: 23 |
I reckon the whole 'Animagus' thing is repeated too much. The Marauders, and Rita Skeeter was a bit too much! Well done for typing that out, it must have taken ages! Go you! Good theory... Love to see Neville draw his wand against Voldy and his minions! |
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Apr 28 2004, 04:06 PM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Admin Posts: 9,278 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 2 |
I DON'T THINK SO!!!! <_< :P You are going to owe me BIG time!!!! :toofunny: :toofunny: |
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Apr 28 2004, 07:30 PM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Guests Posts: 7,777 Joined: 21-February 04 From: Over the rainbow on the Western end of Oz Member No.: 3 |
I do believe we are going to see many great things coming from Neville. His change was a very pleasant surprise in OOTP and I'm sure there is more to come. Now, one thing that totally makes it possible for your scenario to occur is that, not that Neville is the one the Prophecy speaks of, Harry still is, but if V. were to kill Harry off, the prophecy would be fulfilled. V. kills Harry and lives, only until Neville finishes him off. It still has the Prophecy filled, one of the two it speaks of dying, and a character who you would least suspect capable of powerful magic using it and using it well. |
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