Voldemort Options

[kevin111]

I was just thinking about how Voldemort's greatest fear is death when I came across, in book 5, when Nearly- Headless Nick is talking to Harry about ghosts. If Voldemort were to die in the 7th book wouldn't he become a ghost? I dont have the page in book 5 when nick talks to Harry, but if you find it, it talks about how people may become ghosts and Voldemort would definately be a candidate for one. But then, I wouldn't think that JKR would have this happen (if Voldemort were to die) because it just wouldn't be a good ending. What do you guys think?

[Hermione@13]

I didn't want to put the whole two pages, but here's the quote.

"I was afraid of death," said Nick. "I chose to remain behind. I sometimes wonder whether I oughn't to have...Well, that is neither here nor there...In fact, I am neither here nor there..."He gave a small sad chuckle. "I know nothing of the secrets of death, Harry, for I chose my feeble imitation of life instead. I believe learned wizards study the matter in the Department of Mysteries-"

pg.861 last paragraph American Edition

Anyway, it's possible that V would get destroyed and not killed. Some people believe that V will fall through the Veil, but-to make it clear-I, myself, believe he will be killed and turned into a ghost. It's possible that ghosts can be restrained, I wouldn't know.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Hermione put up the quote I would've put up. Nick chose to be a ghost, it's not something that automatically happens. But for V, I don't believe this would be a good way to finish him off. As a ghost he could still influence people. He could go to the homes of his DE's and get them to still do his bidding and though he would be dead, it would not be over. Recently I've been thinking more and more about how he will be finished off and how Jo has really emphasized that he must be killed and keep wondering HOW it is that Harry is going to do this. We know Harry just isn't powerful enough to AK him, so it can be something like the veil (though with the voices I wonder too if that would be a wise choice, we don't want V talking through it), but I keep coming back to one of my older thoughts of maybe Harry containing V within himself and torturing him with his own emotions or Harry somehow projecting his feelings towards his loved ones into V. Not very good ideas, I admit, but it's going to be love that kills V. Maybe it'll be something easy like Harry shoving V into the Love Room at the DOM and locking the door behind him. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[kevin111]

I agree, if Voldemort were to die, it would be a death having to do with Harry and love. But I just thought that since Voldemort has chopped his soul up so many times, he might not be able to become a ghost, because his soul barely remains. That might answer my question.

[msricenbeans]

i believe it's been said that only wizards who died unhappily would choose (for it is a "conscious" choice) to remain in the limbo of ghosthood. i would bet the character of voldemort would choose such a fate, but i don't think JKR will let him. i would hope that JKR would do the job thoroughly; if she left the Voldemort character alive in any sense of the word, she would be leaving the same opportunities available for hack writers and profiteers that she verbally fears about leaving harry alive. i'm not saying she'll kill harry too (although i believe there's a better than 80% chance he won't survive either, even though i will CRY and i hope, hope, hope he'll live) but to leave the epitome of evil alive after seven marvelous books about defeating evil would be cruel, even if it is more like "real life." i can believe she would let harry die to save the wizarding world; i cannot believe she would let voldemort win. i did like the wicked witch's idea about using the room full of love, but it would have to be a case of putting him in there and sealing the room permanently...but you know hacks and sequelers...with fiction you have unlimited ways of creating the situation that you want. if JKR leaves him alive, someone WILL try to make money off her books.

[MICKMARVOLODUNDE...]

No-one will be able to make money off harry potter books except JK she will obviously have copyright to the characters and names (with the exception of maybe Warner Bros) but i think it would be a very foolish person to try and make money out of a harry potter spin off

and anyway death is no guarentee of someone staying that way, just look at the friday the 13th films or freddy kruger.

Lord V being a ghost i think would hurt him quite alot, the point of him livin was because he wanted to prove he was better than muggles and also the power he had. as a ghost he would have no real power he would be stuck in that form forever and he didnt like it when his curse back fired against harry - "he was less than the meanest of ghosts" (or something along those line)

I think Harry will live personally, i just think hes to strong now to let himself die. To many people have been sacraficed for him to live and i think he will owe it to them to live


theory just came to me
maybe it will come full circle - harry will destroy the horcruxes and will be at voldemorts mercy, but voldemort will have just killed some one who sacrificed themselves to save harry (ginny maybe) and the curse will rebound again and this time destroy Lord V for good. HMMM that is just a thought

[kevin111]

I like the thought. I think what should happen would be (if V died) he would come back as a ghost. It would be V's last resort to stay living. But I think it would make the whole ending lame, and I think JK would not have this happen.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

death is no guarentee of someone staying that way, just look at the friday the 13th films or freddy kruger.

Those are completely different. They are horror movies, this is a fiction book where nobody has come back from the dead.

Lord V being a ghost i think would hurt him quite alot, the point of him livin was because he wanted to prove he was better than muggles and also the power he had. as a ghost he would have no real power he would be stuck in that form forever and he didnt like it when his curse back fired against harry - "he was less than the meanest of ghosts" (or something along those line)

I agree and disagree. He would have no real power himself, but he would still have the capabilities to provide instructions to his followers through speech. He cannot be a ghost. If he's going to be gone, it needs to be completely.

maybe it will come full circle - harry will destroy the horcruxes and will be at voldemorts mercy, but voldemort will have just killed some one who sacrificed themselves to save harry (ginny maybe) and the curse will rebound again and this time destroy Lord V for good.

This thought has crossed my mind before as well, but I really hope it isn't the way it ends. In my opinion it would practically be a repeat of the beginning and frankly, I don't want to see that. I'd rather see something new and different than just a repeat of how this all started with nothing different except the outcome. Just my opinion though. If that is what she chooses, then that is what she chooses.

[MICKMARVOLODUNDE...]

I've given a lot of warnings about not spelling out word.....

Post has been edited out.

This is a warning to all, I will delete posts if words are not spelled out all the way!!!

[baty4potter]

Well again you will find your post deleted. I have never corrected anyone for improper spelling or grammar. If I used the word spelled instead of spelt that is a matter of grammar preference. If you put both on Word neither are grammatically correct. Secondly, you have been around long enough to know not to abbreviate words. There are a few exceptions to this. DD, V, LOL ect. However, since you seem to want to be so arrogant about this you have found yourself banned from the boards.

[Witherwings]

Lord V being a ghost i think would hurt him quite alot, the point of him livin was because he wanted to prove he was better than muggles and also the power he had. as a ghost he would have no real power he would be stuck in that form forever and he didnt like it when his curse back fired against harry - "he was less than the meanest of ghosts" (or something along those line)

I have to agree and disagree. I think LV would definitely think the option of being a ghost is open to him - probably something he would go through the steps to ensure happens. He wouldn't be "living" so the prophecy would still be fulfilled. There's a part of me, however, that also realizes that LV would think himself immortal and that he could never be killed - therefore he wouldn't have to go through the necessary steps to become a ghost. However, if anything, I think it's an option he likely considered.

No-one will be able to make money off harry potter books except JK she will obviously have copyright to the characters and names (with the exception of maybe Warner Bros) but i think it would be a very foolish person to try and make money out of a harry potter spin off

She could raffle off the copyright. This is common in series like Star Wars and such. Of course, copyright laws also don't last forever - there's a limit on how long copyright protections last (I think it's 100 years or something like that).

This post has been edited by Witherwings: Apr 17 2007, 05:21 PM

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

there's a limit on how long copyright protections last (I think it's 100 years or something like that)

Are there restrictions? If there are then I hope it's that long! I, luckily, will no longer be around to see anybody else attempt to write a HP book. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)