R.A.B. theories, Merging all R.A.B. theories here Options

[chris_1988]

but in order to find the other horcrux's he needs a starting point, a leed. I thihnk thats where RAB will come in, Harry has nothing else to go on that I can think of. Unless theres some tellepathic conection between him and LV which makes him know where they are

[Phlegm]

We already have leads about the other Horcruxes - we know one's the Hufflepuff goblet, one is in Voldemort, one possibly in Nagini and one possibly in an object belonging to Ravenclaw/Gryffindor (the others being the locket, diary and ring)

[chris_1988]

yes, but harry doesnt know where they are. dumbledore could find them because he was extremely powerful, and he had to search for ages to get them. Harry has one year to get them all and he doesn't even know where to look for them. that is why im sure RAB will help him, he is the only other person so far who has been able to find one

[GinnyPotter]

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Speaking of which, how does JKR expect Harry to find 5(?) horcruxes in one book?

[wgraveman]

Nice job, Frozen Flame. This is easily the most convincing theory of anything besides the Regulus one... and it's always dangerous to decide you know what JKR has in mind too early (wasn't that the entire point of book 1?)

It's certainly a possibility, and one I hadn't pieced together. I'm still leaning towards the Regulus theory at the moment... but you've given me something to think about.

Now, are there any takers to the theory that RAB is actually three people?

[Frozen Flame]

Hmm...

I like that idea. Although... the letter says "I will be long dead." It seems like it must have just been one person, because of the nature of the letter.

Although... you would assume R.A.B had more than one person there, someone to drink the liquid? So it could be.

I am also leaning to Regalus more. It was my initial thought when I lay in bed at midnight with a finished Half-Blood Prince sitting on my shelf beside me. But the Amy Benson theory is really cool as well I think. Hmmm... I'm glad I thouhgt of it, lol.

So, has anyone thouhgt of anything else that would suggest Amy Benson/ Amelia Bones is R.A.B.?

[ChimpBananers]

Actually, you may be the one too fixed on your theory.

This is like the whole Madame Pince/Eileen Prince thing. Just because a name is similar, DOES NOT MEAN THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON. So you're saying Stubby Boardman and Sirius Black are the same too, eh?

I'm sure Luna's dad is looking for more reporters...

And I'm not saying that Amelia Bones or this Amy person isn't RAB, just that they're not thie same person! And I do think the two children may play a part later, but have you all considered that the RAB person might have not even been mentioned, by name at least?

[baty4potter]

Actually, you may be the one too fixed on your theory.

This is like the whole Madame Pince/Eileen Prince thing. Just because a name is similar, DOES NOT MEAN THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON. So you're saying Stubby Boardman and Sirius Black are the same too, eh?

I'm sure Luna's dad is looking for more reporters...

And I'm not saying that Amelia Bones or this Amy person isn't RAB, just that they're not thie same person! And I do think the two children may play a part later, but have you all considered that the RAB person might have not even been mentioned, by name at least?
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BE NICE!!!

[Frozen Flame]

Hey, whoa.... To clear things up...

Its not that their names are 'similar'. Its that they are practically the same. Its not just initials.

Amy is short for Amelia. (I know its also a name on its own, but Amy can be a contraction of Amelia.)

And Benson is an an anagram of Bones. (With an aditional N)

Does it make you feel good to spit all over people's theories when they are having fun discussing them in a discussion board?

Please, like Batty said, be nice.

[Tabbilina Truffl...]

Hey Flame!! I agree with you as it does give us something else to think about. I believe I was the first person to suggest Amelia Bones as an alternate. I too support the logistical claim of Regulus Black, but I also like to have a backup. I do think you have uncovered an exciting possibility and a plausible explanation of how someone could have known their way around that creepy cave. Who else would have such motivation for returning to the scene where they suffered significant emotional and physical trauma?

Thank you for standing up like this. I also got flak when I first said "It could be Amelia Bones. Maybe her first name wasn't Amelia."

[hannahviolin]

You haven't really thought that through.

She only thought that by the time Voldemort read the message she would be 'long dead'.  Even if she wrote it a year ago from when Harry and Dumbledore found it, it doens't matter.  She believed that Voldemort wouldn't find it for a long time.

She reckoned Voldemort wouldn't find out the truth for a LONG time.  Like ten, twenty thirty years.  She didn't bank on Harry and Dumbledore finding it instead, did she?

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I like this idea because its fun.  It gives us something to talk about...  and I haven't seen any other good theories other than the Regalus one.  Which is of course, the most likely and convincing, and who I also believe is the real Horcrux thief.
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My point here, and I guess I didnt' make it very well, was that regulus would have MORE reason that Amelia Bones to think that he would be dying soon, from what I understand. since he was trying to stop being a death eater, he had to know he would be killed soon. Whereas Amelia Bones would have no direct reason to think she would be dead, other than the same reason that all of the non-DE wizards have. the other thought I have is this--if it were someone on DD's side, wouldn't they possibly have told DD what they had done? Knowing that he was the only wizard Voldemort feared. I'm not entirely sure who this Amelia Bones is, but wasn't she friendly with DD?
Thoughts please!

[Frozen Flame]

Alright, yes I understand.

I guess...the reason he thought he would die is...well, Regalus must have known that the potion would kill him. Although it remains to be seen how he managed to write the note after taking hte potion and then thinking he could destroy it. But that would explain his death that few seem to know about.

Actually, in an interview JKR had with Mugglenet and The Leaky Cauldron, it seems fairly obvious that it is Regalus.

However, I just love the idea of Bones and Benson though. I think its really quite deep, and well... we know JKR doesn't pick names for no reason.

[Styrofoam]

in GoF, isn't it said that A.Bones is a bit ditzy, and dies with hardly any trouble to lord v. I don't reaaaaaaly see any connection. I think Amelia has served her purpose, which is bring Voldemort back.... i don't see her being part of the death of Voldemort.

[Frozen Flame]

Whoa whoa whoa. Did I miss something?

I thought Amelia Bones was only first mentioned in Half-Blood Prince?

She's been in before though? Well, well...that does seem to change things... but wait, where?

[Frozen Flame]

Dumbledore would not adress the note to 'The Dark Lord'.

He would adress it to 'Tom', 'Tom Riddle' or perhaps even 'Lord Voldemort'. 'The Dark Lord' is something his followers call him.

[wgraveman]

in GoF, isn't it said that A.Bones is a bit ditzy, and dies with hardly any trouble to lord v.  I don't reaaaaaaly see any connection.  I think Amelia has served her purpose, which is bring Voldemort back.... i don't see her being part of the death of Voldemort.
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I believe you may be confusing Amelia Bones with Bertha Jorkins... Amelia Bones was in OotP, she was one of the justices on the wizengamot... she dies at the hands of DE's in book 6.

Just to clarify from my earlier post, I don't think RAB is more than 1 person... but I thought it was an interesting suggestion.

If RAB is Regulus, it's not entirely necessary that he had help. Theoretically, a former DE would be skilled at the unforgivable curses and could have had someone under the imperius curse drink the green stuff, and then jump in the lake. However, if the Amy Benson -> Amelia Bones -> RAB theory holds, she likely would have needed help. This could have been done a LONG time ago. Perhaps she was helped by a couple of skilled Auror's like Frank and Alice Longbottom... there still this mystery surrounding Neville's memory that will likely be resolved in book 7, maybe it’ll come out that he’s the only one who knows where the locket is. We know Susan Bones’ parents were killed by DE’s… just a thought.

I think Frozen Flame’s got a clever theory, and that we should try hard to stay open minded to lots of theories.... there are many threads that need to be sown together... and none of us know what JKR's got in mind. I lean towards the Regulus theory, but I also know that almost nothing JKR’s done has ever played out that way I expected it to.

[Styrofoam]

I believe you may be confusing Amelia Bones with Bertha Jorkins... Amelia Bones was in OotP, she was one of the justices on the wizengamot... she dies at the hands of DE's in book 6. 

Just to clarify from my earlier post, I don't think RAB is more than 1 person... but I thought it was an interesting suggestion.

If RAB is Regulus, it's not entirely necessary that he had help.  Theoretically, a former DE would be skilled at the unforgivable curses and could have had someone under the imperius curse drink the green stuff, and then jump in the lake.  However, if the Amy Benson -> Amelia Bones -> RAB theory holds, she likely would have needed help.  This could have been done a LONG time ago.  Perhaps she was helped by a couple of skilled Auror's like Frank and Alice Longbottom... there still this mystery surrounding Neville's memory that will likely be resolved in book 7, maybe it’ll come out that he’s the only one who knows where the locket is.  We know Susan Bones’ parents were killed by DE’s… just a thought.

I think Frozen Flame’s got a clever theory, and that we should try hard to stay open minded to lots of theories.... there are many threads that need to be sown together... and none of us know what JKR's got in mind.  I lean towards the Regulus theory, but I also know that almost nothing JKR’s done has ever played out that way I expected it to.
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You're right, i am wrong d'oh

[wgraveman]

Whoa whoa whoa.  Did I miss something?

I thought Amelia Bones was only first mentioned in Half-Blood Prince?

She's been in before though?  Well, well...that does seem to change things...  but wait, where?
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I don't remember when Amelia Bones was first mentioned, but I'm almost positive it was in the first 4 books. I started paying pretty close attention to Susan Bones b/c it came out rather early on (in the 1st 2 books) that her parents were killed by DE's. In one of the first 4 books, Amelia Bones was mentioned... she's always spoken rather highly of by people like DD and the Weasleys.

[Tabbilina Truffl...]

Amelia Bones is discussed on page 123 of OoTP. She was Head of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement and is also the one who was incharge of quesitoning Harry at the time. Her full name is Amelia Susan Bones according to page 138. She is very impressed by Harry's ability to produce a fully-formed Patronus at the age of 15. And she was the only member of the Wizengamot that spoke to Mr. Weasley as they left the hall. Chapter Seven into Eight into Nine.

[ChimpBananers]

Does it make you feel good to spit all over people's theories when they are having fun discussing them in a discussion board?

Please, like Batty said, be nice.
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I don't spit, that's vulgar. But I guess I could say you shot down other people's, just because they don't match yours.

Oh, and by the way? The mod you're referring to is 'baty4potter', therefore, it's one 't', not two.

If Amelia Bones is how should I say? The witness protection program for wizards? The entire family changed their name? Ie. Her niece, Susan? Wizards have better ways to hide. Hence, the whole "Secret Keeper" thing.