The fate of Lord Voldemort Options

[groebuck2]

OK, I've heard a great deal of debate over whether or not Voldemort will die, but how's this for a theory? Voldemort does not die. Instead he gets it much worse. His soul will be sucked out by dementors. Yes. The dementor's kiss. Let's look for some foundation here. What is Voldemort's worst fear? His own death. Does Voldemort believe anything is worse than death? No. It is time for Voldemort to learn the only lesson that Dumbledore failed to teach him. That would give a just end to the worst character in the story.

[Potterfan91]

But why would the Dementors turn on LV? He has given the Dementors so much power and allowed them to breed and have free roam of the wizarding world. I don't see why they would turn on him

[Fizzing_Whizzbee]

While personally I don't think this is how the book will end I do hav an answer to your question Potterfan. While Voldemort may have essentially gave the Dementors free roam, at the end of the day, they care about only one thing...feeding.

If there is a chance for them to suck a soul and take care of their appetite, then whether the victim is Voldemort, Harry, or even a wombat, then they are going to seize the chance.

[Bellezza]

I agree with Fizzing Whizzbee. Dementors will do whatever they need to feed themselves and if Voldemort gets in their way...then maybe that could be a possibility. But really I don't see the dementors turning on him like that.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Personally I think the Dementor's Kiss is too soft for V. What he needs is a form that can dwell on how he has been beaten, but have no capability to get back into a functional human form. With the Dementor's Kiss he would only be able to do so before the Kiss was given. Not fair! I want him to suffer over it forever. Maybe he'll become a ghost? Nah! I don't want him to be able to talk and incite hate and regain a following. Maybe he'll get into the same state Frank and Alice are in? I deeply suspect that Alice and Frank know who and what is around them, but are incapable of doing anything about it. That would be nice for V.! But someone could come up with a cure for their position. (Something I hope Neville do when he grows up.) So I don't know. But a Kiss is too easy on V. He needs something worse! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/snake.gif)

[baty4potter]

A kiss would seem to easy for him, but his punishment would have to be something that he'd realize was happening to him yet he not be able to do anything about it. Even to the point where he'd lose all his magical powers. But then again if that occurred he'd only terrorize the muggle community by killing them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Potterfreak92]

OK, I've heard a great deal of debate over whether or not Voldemort will die, but how's this for a theory? Voldemort does not die. Instead he gets it much worse. His soul will be sucked out by dementors. Yes. The dementor's kiss. Let's look for some foundation here. What is Voldemort's worst fear? His own death. Does Voldemort believe anything is worse than death? No. It is time for Voldemort to learn the only lesson that Dumbledore failed to teach him. That would give a just end to the worst character in the story.

Although that is an interesting theory, I think that if LV really does end up dying, J.K. will just kill him because as you said, groebuck2, death is LV's worst fear.

[Perseus_Evans]

While I'm skeptical that JKR would choose this ending, it's not without evidence...

I'm one of the "Harry's-scar-is-a-horcrux" people, so bear with me... :)

The dementors have always paid special attention to Harry (even prior to Voldy's return). I think this may be because he has an "extra piece of soul" from Voldy. This would certainly be a good reason for their behavior toward Harry.

The dementors obey Voldy because he can give them souls to consume, but possibly also because he would be immune to their kiss, having pieces of his soul hidden elsewhere.

Perhaps in the end, the dementor will turn on Voldy, when all the Horcruxes are either gone or when the last two (Harry's scar and Voldy himself) are close enough together for them to sense it as whole.

Imagine the final confrontation, in the midst of a great battle (allies and enemies falling around them) dementors sucking souls of redshirts, and then as Voldy and Harry grapple, Harry losing hope, feeling immense pain, wanting to die, the dementors attack. Voldy, not realizing that his power over them is no longer valid, expects them to suck out Harry's soul allows them to get close enough to him to perform the kiss on both Harry and Voldy. For a moment we see the piece of soul come from Harry and fear the worst, only they leave his real soul (powerful because it is undamaged) and siphon off the piece of Voldy's soul from the scar. And then, the last Horcrux taken care of, they turn on Voldy who can no longer stop them, having no real happiness with which to call a Patronus.

It could happen.

I may doubt it, but there's definitely enough evidence to make such an ending plausible.

[Bellezza]

Perseus....you amaze me. You are quite possibly the most creative person I have ever met. Well not met, but you get the idea.
I was really skeptical about the idea of dementors attacking Voldemort but now that you have presented that idea it really seems like it could not only be possible, but actually happen in the seventh book. Where do you get these ideas??

[Perseus_Evans]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) Thanks Bellezza!

It's really probably a combination of too much time on my hands plus having read the books waaaaay too many times (which is probably also a sign of time on my hands).

My theories tend to require great creativity to get so convoluted... :)

[Ominousshadows]

I've been thinking about it and here a twist. What if you didn't die but lost all power. Maybe turn into a ghost. He's stuck on the earth forever and his utterly powerless. He'd drive himself insane.

[Bellezza]

I've been thinking about it and here a twist. What if you didn't die but lost all power. Maybe turn into a ghost. He's stuck on the earth forever and his utterly powerless. He'd drive himself insane.

He'd probably turn into a really maniacal Peeves and as a ghost he couldn't really be destroyed or killed or what have you, and he could still gather support for his cause. Wouldn't be a good combo I think.

[Jlobel]

lets put it this way, jk rowl. has said that people have guessed her ending pretty well, i remember reading that in some interview, so its not gonna be this one because this is never really been discuessed

[Perseus_Evans]

Hmmm a fate worse than death... fearing it so much you end up a ghost... Sounds about right.

Voldy could easily end up a ghost...

Here's a thought... What if there was a Baron Von Grindelwald? And what if Dumbledore defeated him, and upon finding his ghost trapped on earth, offered him the House ghost job in Slytherin!!

How's that for unlikely jlobel?

It's all unlikely, but I gotta say, just because JKR has said (and I don't remember hearing her say this...) that it's been talked about doesn't mean that all the details are right in whatever theories she's talking about... There may be pieces that haven't already been unearthed... such as dementors taking his soul...

I'm not saying I think it's going to happen, but I do think there will be some surprises, no matter how much brainpower the collective HP fans have dedicated to the solution...

[tealinkea]

harry will kill V

[gazbo-s]

I'm sorry, Tealinkea, but I really cannot see Harry killing LV himself - destroy the Horcruxes, yes, but when it comes to the crunch I cannot see Harry casting the AK curse and REALLY meaning it. He's too nice and deep down has some sympathy for LV - he has a similar background to Harry and we saw this in the Pensieve scenes in HBP.

That's not to say that I think LV won't die - but I really cannot believe it will be at the hands of Harry.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

You know, I was thinking about the prophecy some more and I've come to the conclusion that we are all taking it to literally. The main point I mean is the whole "Either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives" part. Now, DD said that just because a prophecy has been made it doesn't mean that it has to happen. So, let's say that in that case, neither one has to die. But what is living? Is it always just sleeping, eating, and breathing, or is it more? It's more! It's enjoying your life and all that you have. So, as DD said, Harry does not have to follow through on the prophecy and he could continue on with his life with nothing to worry about if he wanted to. But, he will never get that chance because V will persue him till the ends of the earth. Making it so that neither one of them is really living since they both have the constant thoughts of the other on their minds. (BTW, this also helps make it so that both of them can live (breathe) at the same time as they are now which so many people have had a problem with.) So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that they are both living (breathing) now, but not really living their lives and that neither one of them really has to kill the other since a prophecy does not have to come true. Yes, Harry has the power to vanquish V., but all that means is that he has to defeat him. Which he can. But he does not have to kill him (which is good cause then he would split his own soul).

I may just be full of hot air since I don't want V. dead and want him to suffer for all that he did, and am seeing things differently than they are meant to be seen, but this one seems to make a lot of sense to me, especially since Jo said she worded that prophecy very carefully.

[tealinkea]

I'm sorry, Tealinkea, but I really cannot see Harry killing LV himself - destroy the Horcruxes, yes, but when it comes to the crunch I cannot see Harry casting the AK curse and REALLY meaning it. He's too nice and deep down has some sympathy for LV - he has a similar background to Harry and we saw this in the Pensieve scenes in HBP.

That's not to say that I think LV won't die - but I really cannot believe it will be at the hands of Harry.

not by the ak curse. i think he might kill him in some other way.

[gazbo-s]

I don't think it matters in which way, I just cannot see Harry killing LV - JKR has made it perfectly clear (via DD's words) that killing someone is the most evil act that anyone could commit, and I cannot see our hero becoming as evil as the one he seeks to vanquish. LV will most probably die, but not at the hands of Harry I think. I can still see Wormtongue performing the final act - after Harry has removed his Horcruxes, and confronts LV (with Wormtongue at his side), Wormtongue will save Harry and kill LV, most probably dieing himself, and thereby repay his debt and redeem himself.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

I don't know. Going by the words in the prophecy, only the one who was approaching and born as the seventh month died has the power to vanquish V. I can maybe tie it to Wormtail in some way, but not now, I'm too tired. For now I'm sticking with Harry will vanquish V., but that V. won't die.