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Dijares

Mar 21 2004, 07:44 PM

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Cut to scene from film. The Sorting Hat on Harry's head. “Not Slytherin. NOT Slytherin.” JKR Says: “He's like every child starting a new school. You don't know where to go or how to fit in, but greatly exaggerated. He's set apart by everything there including his fame and his ancestry and the quirk, which meant he survived what should have been this fateful attack. He's every boy but with a twist.”

Okay, so what is soooo important about Harry's Ancestry?

Some say he is the heir of Gryffindor. Yes, this could be true, but how is he the heir of Gryffindor? Is he the heir through his father? Then, if so, why wasn't it such a big deal that his father was the heir of Gryffindor? Unless, his mother was the heir of Gryffindor?

Then again, what wasn't this such a big deal?

IMO, he is not only the heir of gryffindor, but some kind of relation of Slytherin as well. I have nothing to back it up, other than the big deal of the green eyes, which is the color of slytherin. we know that the eyes will play a big role.

Tell us your thoughts on Harry's ancestry . .. :wizard:

Bunnyc View Member Profile	Mar 22 2004, 07:42 AM Post #2
Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Australia Member No.: 16	I'm kind of thinking that Harry might have both Gryff. and Slytherin in him not because he's blood-related to Slytherin as such, but because part of Voldy/Slytherin transferred itself into Harry as a result of Voldy's failed attempt to kill him. Isn't that how Harry came to be a parseltongue? That's probably why the Sorting Hat got confused maybe? Bunny

Dijares View Member Profile	Mar 22 2004, 09:10 AM Post #3
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,577 Joined: 21-February 04 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 1	That's what we think, anyhow. Or what others in the book (DD) thinks. It may not be necessarily true. Rmember that each of the persons' views are from their own perception. Recall in COS, it was both in the book, and in the movie (word-for-word in the movie as it was in the book, which is important) in which Hermione states that Salazar Slytherin died over 1k years ago, and, for all they knew, he could be the heir of Slytherin. :slytherin: :gryffindor: He could be the one person that could bring them all together once again, and not such bitter enemies. It sounds like something that JKR would do.

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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 4,050 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Southampton, United Kingdom. Member No.: 23	Harry could be heir of Gryffindor, while Voldy is heir of Slytherin, and they end the thousand year battle between the two houses! Bit of a weird suggestion though-sorry! Whats this about Harry's eyes being important, seriously, they are just eyes!

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Mar 23 2004, 01:10 AM

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Whats this about Harry's eyes being important, seriously, they are just eyes!

i no it does sound redicolus(sp?) but we think it has a great rolew in the story being that slytherin is green and u no the rest of the story...

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Mar 23 2004, 06:01 AM

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He could be the one person that could bring them all together once again, and not such bitter enemies. It sounds like something that JKR would do.

I think you're onto something there Dij. In one of the books (GOF?) both DD and Hermione tried to promote the importance of unity between the houses and the other schools....united we stand, divided we fall, type of thing.
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Texas Member No.: 32	Also it has been said before that the foursome of Ron Hermione Harry and Neville could represent the four houses in a way. Hermione has admitted that the Hat considered putting her in Ravenclaw and we know it considered putting Harry in Slytherin. Of course Ron and all the Weasleys are Gryffindors. So does Neville have Hufflepuff characteristics? I can see it, but it isn't proven/ But I like the idea of Harry bringing unity to Hogwarts and the 4 houses. Sort of like Luke bringing balance to the force. It will take good writing to convince me that Slytherin could join the other 3 against Voldemort. Were there any Slytherins in DA?

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Mar 23 2004, 12:58 PM

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Also it has been said before that the foursome of Ron Hermione Harry and Neville could represent the four houses in a way. Hermione has admitted that the Hat considered putting her in Ravenclaw and we know it considered putting Harry in Slytherin. Of course Ron and all the Weasleys are Gryffindors. So does Neville have Hufflepuff characteristics? I can see it, but it isn't proven

hmmm as long as history doesnt repeat itself cos if ron represents gryffindor then harry would surelt represent slytherin? slytherin is the one that walked out remember? hmmmm i doubt it will though im just having weird moment ignore me <_<

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Mar 24 2004, 08:29 AM

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Here's a quote from one of the interviews with JKR:

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Do you know what Harry's parents look like?

"Yes. I've even drawn a picture of how they look. Harry has his father and mother's good looks. But he has his mother's eyes and that's very important in a future book."

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SB: Very good. One more question. Are we going to learn more about Harry’s mom in the next book (book 4)?

JKR: Um, this is one of those questions you – some of the best questions I get are about – people have clearly read the books so well, and they’re sensing there’s more to be told about certain people. But I can’t ever answer them very fully, because I will end up giving things away. There is something very important about Harry’s mother that he hasn’t yet discovered, that he’s not going to find out in the next book. It’s too important for book 4, he finds it out later in the series. That was interesting.

There's another quote (somewhere) that she states she'll talk about Lily's ancestry in book 7, so we still won't know about this until then. <_< But maybe we can figure it out sooner. :blink: :bigeyes:

crazy4orli View Member Profile	Mar 24 2004, 12:29 PM Post #10
Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 3,424 Joined: 22-February 04 From: LONDON BABY! Member No.: 24	personally i have another crazy theorie about this, i think that somehow she is related to voldy, her mum voldys sister or something like that.

Dijares View Member Profile	Mar 24 2004, 04:57 PM Post #11
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,577 Joined: 21-February 04 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 1	Actually, it would be as bit more distant than that - perhaps some relationship exists between V's mother and Lily's family.

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Mar 24 2004, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE (crazy4orli @ Mar 24 2004, 11:29 AM)

personally i have another crazy theorie about this, i think that somehow she is related to voldy, her mum voldys sister or something like that.

i dont think its crazy, it sounds pretty good actually :slytherin:

Bunnyc View Member Profile	Mar 24 2004, 08:15 PM Post #13
Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Australia Member No.: 16	The Evans and Riddle families were definitely non-magic (Muggles), so if there's a tie between Lily/Harry and Voldemort it might originate there???

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HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 8-March 04 Member No.: 63	hmm... thats a good theory....

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Mar 27 2004, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE (Bunnyc @ Mar 24 2004, 07:15 PM)

The Evans and Riddle families were definitely non-magic (Muggles), so if there's a tie between Lily/Harry and Voldemort it might originate there???

lilys family was non-magic, but Voldys mother was a witch... thats why his father (muggle) left them...

Bunnyc View Member Profile	Mar 27 2004, 05:02 AM Post #16
Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Australia Member No.: 16	Yep that's what I said......the Riddles (Voldemort's father) were non-magic as were Lily's family. His other parent (mother) was magic and so was Harry's other parent (father, James) Bunny

Pigwidgeon View Member Profile	Mar 27 2004, 10:44 PM Post #17
Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,037 Joined: 18-March 04 From: U.S. Member No.: 78	hmm, hey i am kind of talking about something of how the foursome (harry hermione ron and neville) sort of represent each house... that reminds of how much harry's gang is SO much like his fathers gang back at Hogwarts!! listen to his... well read it i mean.. james/harry: both the "leaders" of their gang, both look basically exactly the same!, both have a common personality and are loyal, so on... sirius/ron: can be rash sometimes, both are the sidekick/very best friend of the leader of the gang, always stick together! lupin/hermione: both are totaly bookworms, both are prefects, they are a best friend of the gang's leader but not the VERY best friend, good student! wormtail/neville: both are the pudgey (even i PoA it said wormtail resembled neville longbottom), both are very timid and cowardly, both are tag-a-longs to a group of friends... hmm.. but in the end the leader and the BFF died, and the tag-a-long betrayed them all!! these two groups so resemble each other! tell me what u think!

MELIMUSH View Member Profile	Mar 27 2004, 11:32 PM Post #18
Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 3,774 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 20	thats v. good! great job! :D although i dont think neville will betray them...and i really hope Harry doesnt die!

Pigwidgeon View Member Profile	Mar 27 2004, 11:39 PM Post #19
Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,037 Joined: 18-March 04 From: U.S. Member No.: 78	I certainly don't think Neville would betray them!! But of course, Harry and Seamus were on excellent terms together, but Seamus turned his back on Harry!! That's diff. though, Neville would never dream of betraying Harry, after all they've both been through! It's just that I couldn't help noticing that these two crews are distinctively alike and I wonder if JKR did that on purpose or it happend naturally!

Loonymort View Member Profile	Mar 28 2004, 07:22 AM Post #20
Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,001 Joined: 24-February 04 From: England Member No.: 37	i know something will be revealed about Harry's ancestry, but ican't quite put my finger on it.

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