SPOILER WARNING!!!What do you think about DD?, there must be a catch... Options

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I don't know about evry1 else, but when I finished OotP, I had a feeling that the next character that would be killed off would be Dumbledore, and I was more sure about it when it was confirmed that many more people would be dying. IMO it was predictable, unless there is a plot twist with someone else impersonating DD or something when he was killed. it kind of goes with the whole idea that Dumbledore was begging Snape to kill him..to me it just doesn't seem to be the end of Dumbledore yet. what do you think?

[BloodTitan]

from memory(my sister has the book) DD never begged snape to kill him, he kept asking Malfoy why he was taking so long in an attempt to stop him. He never said anything to Snape.

[Witherwings]

Yes, I think Dumbledore is really dead. However, I don't think he pleaded with Snape to kill him. I think that he was pleading with Snape to reconsider his actions because at that final moment he realized his foolishness in trusting Severus. C'mon now, even Snape's name - Sever Us - implies that he'll betray the good wizards. There didn't seem to be any hesitance in Snape and I think that Snape finished him off in order to save his own life due to the oath he swore to protect Malfoy. And the way Buckbeak attacked Snape - a way Harry had never seen Buckbeak respond before - might tell us more here.

[cruticus]

just edited the topic title as it gave a give away to those that have not read the book!

Constant Vigilance
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[entropymaam]

No way. DD was not wrong to trust Snape. I'm sure of this.

However, this thread did just make me think--what is the likelihood that Albus and Aberforth switched places at any time during the story, and it was actually Aberforth who died?

[Mizz_McNaughty]

I doubt this'll be the end for dd, i do feel he will come back and comunicate with harry in book 7 in some way. 55b:hat:

[ronweasleyrocks]

I believe it was dumbledore that died and not aberforth - why else would his portrait be on the wall of his office with the other past headmasters and headmistresses of hogwarts? It doesnt make sense....

[bound_in_chains]

I believe DD is really dead bcus it leaves Harry open to a battle with Lord Voldemort without the protection of people around him, so it makes it simpler for the last book

[Ill Will]

People seem to have a hard time accepting DD's death as much as a death in real life. Personally, I think he is dead, like a doornail, but will still be able to help a little, a la Obi-wan Kenobi. I also believe that snape is truly evil, and I can't understand why people won't accept this. It's called a plot twist people. At first, we all thought that Snape seemed evil, but actually had good in him, and that Malfoy was just plain evil. Now it's been switched. It's supposed to be unpredictable.

[OmegaprimeVKM]

People seem to have a hard time accepting DD's death as much as a death in real life. Personally, I think he is dead, like a doornail, but will still be able to help a little, a la Obi-wan Kenobi. I also believe that snape is truly evil, and I can't understand why people won't accept this. It's called a plot twist people. At first, we all thought that Snape seemed evil, but actually had good in him, and that Malfoy was just plain evil. Now it's been switched. It's supposed to be unpredictable.
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And its good writing. This is the Sirius thing all over again, everyone can't live with themselevs knowing their favourite character is dead and won't accept it, same here, DD's not coming back in any way in my opinion.

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And its good writing. This is the Sirius thing all over again, everyone can't live with themselevs knowing their favourite character is dead and won't accept it, same here, DD's not coming back in any way in my opinion.
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In my opinion killing off Dumbledore was good because it was obviously justified as we read thru the bk because he slowly gave every1 info about Voldemort which would have a purpose to Harry.

[worldjunction]

I have a theory.

I can't locate the quote, but somewhere earlier in the book, Dumbledore hinted something along the lines that the best way to protect oneself from Voldemort is to convince Voldemort that you are dead. I didn't say exactly that, but that was my interpretation at the time.

And then, right before he died, he kept on saying to Malfoy that they could pretend that Malfoy and his Mom were dead to protect them from Voldemort.

It is just an idea, but Snape and Dumbledore could have planned his fake death.

[siriusfanatic]

I have a theory. 

I can't  locate the quote, but somewhere earlier in the book, Dumbledore hinted something along the lines that the best way to protect oneself from Voldemort is to convince Voldemort that you are dead.  I didn't say exactly that, but that was my interpretation at the time.

And then, right before he died, he kept on saying to Malfoy that they could pretend that Malfoy and his Mom were dead to protect them from Voldemort.

It is just an idea, but Snape and Dumbledore could have planned his fake death.
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A spell is a spell, and Snape used a killing spell. I don't think Snape is playing good guy and pretending to be on the bad side... I think he's really on the bad side and I honestly don't think he planned Dumbledore's death with him ahead of time. Dumbledore's dead, guys. I think the only way he is coming back is through his portrait in his old office. I don't think he faked his death or that he's coming back in any other form. I think Dumbledore knew he was going to die before he even went looking for the Horcrux with Harry in the first place... however, I don't think he knew he was going to die at the hands of Snape.

Just my opinion, anyway.

[Witherwings]

In Goblet of Fire, Moody/Crouch stated that one can survive the avada kedavra. Perhaps it was a set up by Snape and Dumbledore.

[Toxophile]

Dumbledore is not dead. He waited for Malfoy to get the cupboards working before taking Harry off to the location of the Horcrux. The reason he took Harry was because the potion covering the locket is actually the only known protection against the Avada Kedavra spell. The potion had never been successfully drunk before because drinking it was so painful and DD knew Harry could be trusted to make him drink it all. DD was aware of the unbreakable vow Snape made with Malfoy's mother and had protected himself, Snape acted exactly how DD was expecting, otherwise why did he not kill Harry at the end?

[twestann]

I believe that Dumbledore is truly dead. I believe he was in the process of dieing since OotP and I think his withered hand (We never got the full story) was an indicatiion of that.

I believe that Dumbledore drank the water which contained the Horcruxes, part of the soul of Voldemort, and the only way it could be destroyed was by the Avada Kedavra Curse.

Snape is not EVIL. He and Dumbledore had planned this to happen for a long time. Snape showed extreme loyalty and courage and was the only one DD could rely on. I believe this was the topic of Snape and DD's conversation in the forest.

I think RAB (from the note) is actually Dumbledore which is another way of referring to himself---just as Snape was the HBP. The last line was something to the effect, I'll see you when your mortal again---a reference to V's true death.

[Bnlfan78]

If snape is truely evil why did he just stun the theacher that came to get him in his office and not kill him?

[baty4potter]

Ya know what? Something just came to me, and *now* 03;) I'm a little confused. I still don't understand why DD *forced* Harry to make him drink the water. Now this has got me thinking. There has to more to it then just the Horcurx. I have got to go back and start rereading the book.

[timeturner]

I agree that Snape is not evil or loyal to Voldemort (even though I still hate him for killing DD). Just before Snape disapparated near the gates, he told Harry to keep his mouth closed and his mind shut (can't remember the exact quote). This sounds like helpful advice for Harry--practice occlumency and nonverbal spell casting. I can't think of any reason why Snape would say such a thing other than to give Harry last minute instructions before he left. Of course Harry never listens to Snape so don't expect him to do much homework in this area.

I also agree with those saying that DD and Snape had prepared for DD's death ahead of time. I suspect Snape made an unbreakable oath with DD to help fight against Voldemort a long time ago which is why DD trusted him implicitly. Pure speculation on my part.

I see only four options for killing off Voldemort in book seven:

1. Voldemort kills himself by mistake like he almost did when Harry got his scar and in sorcerer's stone,

2. Snape--the only wizard left that is talented and knowledgable enough does the job,

3. Harry does magic by accident with a little help from his friends like he did in sorcerer's stone, chamber OS, and Goblet OF,

4. All of the above (or some combination thereof).

JKR likes to weave themes and messages together into a literary symphony with a dash of the mundane to keep things realistic. Therefore, my money is on something like option 4.

[ChimpBananers]

I believe that Dumbledore drank the water which contained the Horcruxes, part of the soul of Voldemort, and the only way it could be destroyed was by the Avada Kedavra Curse.
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That's a really good theory. Nice to see you back, btw.

I was going to start reading the LotR books tomorrow, but maybe I'll op for the HBP again...hmmm...

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