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moose
post Aug 1 2005, 03:55 PM
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After re-reading the GoF I have found some very interesting hints as to why Snape is acting with the Order, not the Death-Eaters.


If you look @ pg 651 in GoF it is the scene where Voldemort is talking to the DE's in the graveyard he says 6 are missing. 3 dead, one too cowardly to return (Karkaroff), ONE WHO HE BELIEVES HAS LEFT HIM FOREVER (SNAPE??) that will be killed, and his most faithful servant who is @ Hogwarts and is responsible for Harry being there(crouch).

Then near the end of the book in the hospital wing Dumbledore says this to Snape: "Severus, you know what I must ask you to do. If you are ready....If you are prepared..." Snape says "I am" While looking paler than usual and his cold, black eyes glittering strangely.


It is obvious that Dumbledore wants him to go and act as a double again. In the beggining of HBP Snape tells Lestrange that Voldemort trusts him. Since Snape is so good @ occlumency he might have been able to hide the fact that is really with the Order from him and said that he had been waiting for his return while staying at Hogwarts.



That's why I think Snape is still good.
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Bunnyc
post Aug 6 2005, 07:11 PM
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Dumbledore's hand wasn't getting any better and I think he knew
it was going to kill him.......I think maybe Snape was able to prolong
DD's life (using his 'stopper death' technique) just long enough for DD to find
as much information as possible on the remaining Horcruxes and teach
Harry the importance of searching for and destroying them, and what a dangerous
task it would be.
Does anyone remember JKR saying once that Harry might get another
pet at some later time? I wonder if that will be Fawkes.
Speaking of Fawkes, the reason he didn't heal DD's hand with
his tears, is another reason why I think there was nothing anyone could
do for that hand........that it was fatal and DD knew it.
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post Aug 7 2005, 02:53 AM
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I also think Snape is on the good side. I'm just going to turn in a little different direction from the notion that his actions were necessary to avoid blowing his cover. I think it was someone else impersonating Snape using Polyjuice Potion or some similar magic. It may even have been Voldemore himself, disguised as Snape.

Now that notion may just as well be way off base, but here are the niggling parts that lead me to entertain that supposition.

One thing I've not seen mentioned is the idea that Snape was not the Half-Blood Prince after all. I think Harry has jumped to conclusions again regarding Professor Snape (as he has so many times in the past, only to be proven wrong).

There is an inconsistency about Snape being the HBP. If Rowlings resolved this inconsistency in the book, I've missed it.

At the Weasley's Cristmas party, Lupin tells Harry to check the publication date of the Advanced Potions book as a clue to discovering the identity of the book's prior owner.. Harry does check and learns the book was published ~50~ years earlier. It's specifically pointed out on page 337: "... Harry delved into his trunk and pulled out his copy of Advanced Potion-Making before getting into bed. There he turned its pages, searching, until he finally found, at the front of the book, the date that it had been published. It was nearly fifty years old. Neither his father, nor his father's friends, had been at Hogwarts fifty years ago."

Snape was a classmate of Harry's father, so it seems inconsistent to conclude he is the HBP.

I'm fuzzy on Voldemort's age, but I think he's older than Lilly and James who would have been at school about 20 to 25 years earlier. That makes Voldemore a candidate for being the author of the notes in the Advanced Potion-Making book.

I also see some potential inconsistencies in the duel between Snape and Harry at the end of the book. It's not so clear cut though. "Snape" claims to be the author of Levicorpus (and, possibly, Sectum Santorum). But, if Snape was the true author of Levicorpus, it seems unlikely that James would have been able to successfully use that curse against him when they were 15. Indeed, Lupin tells Harry that Levicorpus was a widely known and "currently in vogue" spell when he and James were at school. This suggests that the spell pre-dates Snape's time at Hogwarts (why would the student body adopt a spell created by such an unpopular classmate?). So, it seems to be within possibility that was a Snape impersonator battling Harry at the end..

Frankly, I see this as a fairly weak theory; but I have not found any other explanation about why Rowling made such a point of the Advanced Potion-Making book pre-dating Snape's attendance at Hogwarts.

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post Aug 7 2005, 11:55 AM
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The book was likely Snape's mother's, which explains the fact that it was fifty years old. It was Snape up on that tower. Someone impersonating Snape would blow the dramatic flow of the story (i.e., when Harry confronts Snape again in book 7 and gets the real story of what happened up on that tower and DD's black hand - which wouldn't happen if it wasn't Snape on that tower). Also, someone impersonating Snape would have dealt with Potter very differently out on the grounds.
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post Aug 8 2005, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(Dobian @ Aug 7 2005, 11:55 AM)
The book was likely Snape's mother's, which explains the fact that it was fifty years old.  It was Snape up on that tower.  Someone impersonating Snape would blow the dramatic flow of the story (i.e., when Harry confronts Snape again in book 7 and gets the real story of what happened up on that tower and DD's black hand - which wouldn't happen if it wasn't Snape on that tower).  Also, someone impersonating Snape would have dealt with Potter very differently out on the grounds.
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i am sorry, but i have to ask you a question. how old do you think snape is? and another question, what do you think happened in chapter 28, the flight of the prince, and what was said? i am most courious as to your answer's.


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- moose   Snape   Aug 1 2005, 03:55 PM
- - cruticus   so you believe that Snape is still on DD's sid...   Aug 2 2005, 02:37 AM
|- - OmegaprimeVKM   Its possible, but judging by everyone's reac...   Aug 2 2005, 09:41 AM
- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   Ah, but I differ in my opinion of that particula...   Aug 2 2005, 11:35 AM
|- - Dobian   I think Snape is indeed with the Order, and that w...   Aug 2 2005, 03:29 PM
|- - hpfan69   QUOTE(WickedWitchOfTheWest @ Aug 2 2005, 11:3...   Aug 8 2005, 09:05 AM
|- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Aug 8 2005, 09:05 AM)i am rea...   Aug 10 2005, 09:04 PM
- - pixiestyx   Ok, I agree that Snape is not with V. DD has an i...   Aug 2 2005, 04:52 PM
|- - Dobian   Another thing to notice is how during HBP Harry tr...   Aug 2 2005, 05:32 PM
- - Bunnyc   On page 34 Uk edition, Snape says: "Yes, the ...   Aug 2 2005, 07:10 PM
- - Etta   I'm definately holding with you, Dobian. In a...   Aug 2 2005, 08:19 PM
|- - Samiam164   I agree with dobian I really noticed the part wher...   Aug 4 2005, 12:31 AM
|- - Samiam164   oh one more thing though i don't think snape...   Aug 4 2005, 12:34 AM
- - Samiam164   YOU know what though, if snape is still on our sid...   Aug 4 2005, 02:39 PM
|- - hpfan69   QUOTE(Samiam164 @ Aug 4 2005, 02:39 PM)YOU kn...   Aug 5 2005, 10:48 AM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Aug 5 2005, 11:48 AM)well, tr...   Aug 5 2005, 05:41 PM
||- - Dobian   QUOTE(baty4potter @ Aug 5 2005, 03:41 PM)For ...   Aug 5 2005, 08:49 PM
|- - Walkyrie   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Aug 5 2005, 10:48 AM)well, tr...   Aug 26 2005, 04:13 PM
- - spork   I know there's all this proof that Snape is go...   Aug 5 2005, 10:32 PM
- - cruticus   QUOTE(spork @ Aug 6 2005, 02:32 PM)I know the...   Aug 6 2005, 05:59 PM
- - Bunnyc   Dumbledore's hand wasn't getting any bette...   Aug 6 2005, 07:11 PM
|- - teelbee   I also think Snape is on the good side. I'm j...   Aug 7 2005, 02:53 AM
||- - Dobian   The book was likely Snape's mother's, whic...   Aug 7 2005, 11:55 AM
||- - hpfan69   QUOTE(Dobian @ Aug 7 2005, 11:55 AM)The book ...   Aug 8 2005, 09:01 AM
|||- - stormsteff   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Aug 8 2005, 11:01 AM)i am sor...   Aug 9 2005, 02:13 PM
|||- - hpfan69   QUOTE(stormsteff @ Aug 9 2005, 02:13 PM)Me an...   Aug 10 2005, 12:13 PM
||- - MitchHorn36   snape is still good...no question...there are many...   Aug 25 2005, 07:59 PM
|- - stormsteff   QUOTE(Bunnyc @ Aug 6 2005, 09:11 PM)Dumbledor...   Aug 9 2005, 02:30 PM
|- - harrypotteraddict{liza}   QUOTE(stormsteff @ Aug 9 2005, 11:30 PM) ...   Jan 24 2007, 02:16 PM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(harrypotteraddict{liza} @ Jan 24 2007, ...   Jan 24 2007, 06:38 PM
- - cruticus   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Aug 9 2005, 01:05 AM)i am rea...   Aug 9 2005, 12:37 AM
|- - hpfan69   QUOTE(cruticus @ Aug 9 2005, 12:37 AM)ooo, no...   Aug 9 2005, 07:53 AM
- - hpfan69   so when is his birthday? hagrids. and i did the ...   Aug 11 2005, 07:50 AM
- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   Hagrid's birthday is December 6th by my notes.   Aug 11 2005, 05:01 PM
- - hpfan69   QUOTE more evidence for the good snape....that mis...   Aug 26 2005, 07:39 AM
- - mollyweasley   MitchHorn36... I agree with all your evidence to s...   Aug 26 2005, 08:37 AM
- - hpfan69   yes, i am going to get to that chapter one day. ri...   Aug 27 2005, 03:00 PM
- - Wizard From Aus   I dont think Dumbledore is dead. Snape made a bin...   Sep 1 2005, 12:03 AM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(Wizard From Aus @ Sep 1 2005, 01:03 AM)...   Sep 1 2005, 05:46 AM
- - Wizard From Aus   RE: Snape   Sep 1 2005, 05:49 AM
- - hpfan69   so baty you think that dd is not dead? i do belei...   Sep 1 2005, 06:31 PM
|- - Wizard From Aus   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Sep 2 2005, 08:31 AM)so baty ...   Sep 1 2005, 08:45 PM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Sep 1 2005, 07:31 PM)so baty ...   Sep 2 2005, 05:47 AM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(hpfan69 @ Sep 1 2005, 07:31 PM)so baty ...   Sep 13 2005, 04:01 PM
- - doctorapk   Although I am a strong proponent/apostle of the ...   Sep 1 2005, 09:17 PM
- - cruticus   and i'm with baty on this one. Yes there is so...   Sep 2 2005, 07:35 PM
- - hpfan69   yet again i must re-read the book soon. i am in th...   Sep 2 2005, 08:11 PM
- - SEVERUS-SNAPE   Imagine if this was all planned by JK, to get us a...   Sep 13 2005, 09:25 AM
|- - Wizard From Aus   QUOTE(SEVERUS-SNAPE @ Sep 13 2005, 11:25...   Sep 13 2005, 09:53 AM
|- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   QUOTE(Wizard From Aus @ Sep 13 2005, 09:53 AM...   Sep 13 2005, 04:13 PM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(WickedWitchOfTheWest @ Sep 13 2005, 05:...   Sep 13 2005, 04:23 PM
|- - gazbo-s   QUOTE(WickedWitchOfTheWest @ Sep 13 2005, 10:...   Sep 14 2005, 05:42 AM
- - doctorapk   I don't think Snape will kill Harry...I DO thi...   Sep 13 2005, 03:10 PM
- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   Well yes Baty, and I agree with you. If you're...   Sep 13 2005, 04:34 PM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(WickedWitchOfTheWest @ Sep 13 2005, 05:...   Sep 13 2005, 04:41 PM
- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   QUOTEAhhh, I was waiting for someone to say someth...   Sep 13 2005, 04:58 PM
- - baty4potter   WWW, I will mark that on my calendar what you have...   Sep 13 2005, 05:20 PM
- - Bunnyc   Don't forget that JKR herself said that she wa...   Sep 13 2005, 05:50 PM
|- - baty4potter   QUOTE(Bunnyc @ Sep 13 2005, 06:50 PM)Don...   Sep 13 2005, 06:06 PM
- - SEVERUS-SNAPE   Do you guys think that Snape might overshadow Harr...   Sep 14 2005, 02:24 AM
- - WickedWitchOfTheWest   In my own opinion, yes, she does count. The school...   Sep 15 2005, 10:20 AM
- - Hermione@11   It's possible that Snape's already dead an...   Sep 17 2005, 05:55 PM
|- - mischief managed   of course voldemort wasnt impersonating snape... i...   Jul 21 2006, 05:17 PM
- - Hermione@11   By "Occlumens" do you mean Legilimens? ...   Jul 31 2006, 08:53 PM
- - Dustin   I believe snape is good. I cant really explain ful...   Dec 7 2006, 11:32 AM
- - the_prisoner_of_azkaban   Well I hate to say this again, but on this thread ...   Dec 8 2006, 02:11 AM
|- - My Pensieve   QUOTE(the_prisoner_of_azkaban @ Dec 8 2006, 0...   Dec 8 2006, 07:03 AM
- - Hermione@12   I also think Snape is "bad". He's a...   Dec 8 2006, 08:18 PM
- - enara   QUOTE i believe the reason snape killed dumbledore...   Dec 27 2006, 02:02 AM
- - My Pensieve   How I interpret Harry killing Voldemort (in the wi...   Dec 27 2006, 07:11 AM
- - Hermione@12   Snape wanted to kill DD. That's the only reaso...   Dec 27 2006, 09:09 PM
- - enara   Oh I never said bad!, Nonono. That is the last...   Dec 27 2006, 10:49 PM
- - mollymalone101   I believe Snape is still on the good side. Firstly...   Dec 29 2006, 04:45 PM
- - enara   But no one is perfect, even Dumbledor said that ab...   Dec 29 2006, 05:24 PM
- - Hermione@12   I think that it's possible that Snape is trick...   Dec 29 2006, 05:47 PM
- - mollymalone101   I guess we'll just have to see. It just seems ...   Dec 29 2006, 09:09 PM
- - potionsmaster   As for murder--I don't believe Snape (or shoul...   Jan 5 2007, 08:37 PM
- - baty4potter   It is all a matter of perception and opinion about...   Jan 6 2007, 09:09 AM
- - Hermione@12   PM, you still believe Snape is "good"?...   Jan 6 2007, 07:48 PM
|- - My Pensieve   QUOTE(Hermione@12 @ Jan 6 2007, 08:48 PM)...   Jan 7 2007, 09:32 AM
- - Ramilda   I am also in the "Snape is on the good side...   Jan 6 2007, 11:02 PM
|- - harry4ginny_ron4hermione   QUOTE(Ramilda @ Jan 7 2007, 04:02 PM) 120...   Jan 7 2007, 02:32 AM
- - potionsmaster   I agree with PM (not meaning myself )--there is ...   Jan 7 2007, 09:23 PM
- - baty4potter   Since Dumbledore's death I've given Snape ...   Jan 8 2007, 07:02 PM
- - iareaj   QUOTE(baty4potter @ Jan 8 2007, 07:02 PM)...   Jan 25 2007, 04:23 PM
- - baty4potter   It's going to be Interesting how this plays ou...   Jan 25 2007, 05:07 PM
- - Hermione@12   I think that Snape is just plain evil! He com...   Jan 25 2007, 09:31 PM


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