Snape and Lily, Someone explain please Options

[harrypotteraddic...]

I have one thing to say....

well go ahead exzpress your opinion

[Nina79]

well go ahead exzpress your opinion

I think she showed her opinion with the smiley in the end of the sentence... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[potter_freak24]

I personally think that Snape did (and maybe does) love Lily.
And that he hates harry because of both James and Lily.
He hates James because of his bully and making his life at Hogwarts heck. And I think that he hates Lily because she wouldn't show interest in him. Because there is something there (well atleast when I read it, it was there). And I agree with some one (sorry I forgot who) mentioned about the worst memory. Because the bullying and tormenting each other was normal so something else must have made it the worse. and it had to be the fact that he insulted Lily. We know that Lily was in Slughorn club of student (I don't remember what it was called) and I'm almost positive that Snape was - because he is excellent in Potions and a Slyt. and that was Slughorns class and he was the head of Slyt.
So I do think Snape had felling for Lily.

Also Snape may hate Harry even more because he thinks Harry should have been Lily and his son. So that is like putting salt on an open wound. Making him hate Harry even more.
Poor Harry, he had a snowballs chance in Heck (what you think I was going to say) for Snape to be nice to him. Looks almost idientical to his dad, mothers eyes, and the unknown history between them all.

You should know by now to spell out ALL your words! Thanks...

[My Pensieve]

well go ahead exzpress your opinion

I have been known to do that on occasion. I'm not a Lily/Snape believer, but I do *clears throat* respect others opinions on the subject.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)

[Hermione@13]

I quite believe in the Snape loves Lily theory, but not on the Lily loves Snape one. Now to that I would say... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yuck.gif) ! I don't think Snape is on DD's side and it's possible that V brainwashed him into thinking it was DD's fault.

[IadoreHarry]

I think that Snape really loved Lily. When he realized that it was he who caused her death he went to Dumbledore's side. That is why DD was so sure in Snape, because he loved Lily and he also wanted a revenge on You-Know-Poo

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

When he realized that it was he who caused her death he went to Dumbledore's side.

And that theory is still impossible because Snape turned before Lily and James were attacked! Now, I won't say that Snape loving Lily is impossible because he may have and when he did find out who it was that V was planning to attack he then switched sides, but it was in no way because of Lily's death for she was still alive when he switched. Proof of which is in GOF at the Ministry hearing for Karkaroff:

‘Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemort’s downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am.’

When was V's downfall? When he attacked the Potters. When did Snape rejoin the good side? Before the attack. So he did not come back because of remorse for Lily.

[malfoy's_girl]

oh my god. i always thought that he joined after lily and james death. i must of over looked that part in GF. Now that is interesting because Harry (and tells everyone in HBP) believes that snape felt remorse and that was the proof that DD trust snape and that snape was on there side. now we still don't know why he trusted snape or why he switched side (if he did).
but i still believe that snape loved lily.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

The way I see it to where Snape loved Lily and it'll match facts is this:

Snape loved Lily
Snape overheard the prophecy and told it to V
Snape found out who V was going to attack and felt bad about it (but not that bad knowing James would die) and went to DD

To add possibilities to the scenario:

Perhaps Snape asked V to spare Lily and that's why V told her to move
Perhaps Snape remembered the old magic and asked V to spare her so V would not be harmed

But, if Snape asked V to spare her, would he have confessed his love for a Muggle-Born to The Dark Lord?

I think someone has it right (can't remember if it was Baty or Perseus) in that the way Snape convinced DD that he was truly good was by making an UV. And the reason why although he did know that the Potters were going to be attacked and that he did nothing more than tell DD about it in order to prevent it was because he knew James would die. Whether or not he loved Lily is irrelevant in that scenario because someone that he hated was going to die (James) and he didn't care about that at all.

Personally, no, I don't think Snape loved Lily and to be quite frank, I hope he didn't. But I do think the possibility is there. That's why I'm not willing to bet on it. I do believe Jo once said that he has loved before, so that keeps me away from being positive about it. But he didn't switch sides because of Lily's death, that much is clear.

[baty4potter]

The way I see it to where Snape loved Lily and it'll match facts is this:

Snape loved Lily
Snape overheard the prophecy and told it to V
Snape found out who V was going to attack and felt bad about it (but not that bad knowing James would die) and went to DD

To add possibilities to the scenario:

Perhaps Snape asked V to spare Lily and that's why V told her to move
Perhaps Snape remembered the old magic and asked V to spare her so V would not be harmed

But, if Snape asked V to spare her, would he have confessed his love for a Muggle-Born to The Dark Lord?

I think someone has it right (can't remember if it was Baty or Perseus) in that the way Snape convinced DD that he was truly good was by making an UV. And the reason why although he did know that the Potters were going to be attacked and that he did nothing more than tell DD about it in order to prevent it was because he knew James would die. Whether or not he loved Lily is irrelevant in that scenario because someone that he hated was going to die (James) and he didn't care about that at all.

Personally, no, I don't think Snape loved Lily and to be quite frank, I hope he didn't. But I do think the possibility is there. That's why I'm not willing to bet on it. I do believe Jo once said that he has loved before, so that keeps me away from being positive about it. But he didn't switch sides because of Lily's death, that much is clear.

I don't know if Perseus did, but it has been a theory of mine, since HPB, that Snape did an unbreakable with Dumbledore, for the reason you mentioned.

I also am not a big fan of the Snape/Lily thing, actually it gags me, but that is my opinion, and I do respect others. If Snape did love Lily, I hope JK keeps it to herself. That is one I never care to know.

[Hermione@13]

You know, it's all starting to piece together...Snape loved Lily, he found out about V's plan to kill her, he switched to DD's side and DD sensing true remorse believed his apology, but then Snape noticed how "weak" this side was and rejoined V.

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

I don't know if Perseus did, but it has been a theory of mine, since HPB, that Snape did an unbreakable with Dumbledore, for the reason you mentioned.

Sorry, Hun, couldn't remember clearly! Credit to Baty for that one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[mischief managed]

well... i think snape did love lily... it struck me when i was re-reading the memory of when james and sirius were picking on snape..... you know how lily was supposedly a great potions master... but sshe was always said to be good at charms.

perhaps snape helped her along in potions(spare lessons or something like that) and she somehow saw teh spells snape inscribed in his year 6 potions book "levicorpus" in particular.

in the memory, sirius uses levicorpus or a spell extremely similar to dangle snape by his feet... then whenlily tries to defend snape (because she was friends with him at the time) snape calls her a mudblood. the reason snape does this is because he is mad at lily for telling james and sirius the spells becuase he knows she is the only one who could possibly (besides himself) know them. As for the prophesy... the reason voldy told lily she could have her live spared... is because snape pleeded to voldy to let her live because he loves her.


And as for snape still being good... i think he is. I believe snape did an unbreakable vow with DD and this is why dd and snape were always off in private, talking with each other. When snape killed dd at the top of teh tower... it was because dd asked snape to, to further gain vody's trust to finsally destroy him. I believe dd knew he was dying, i believe that dd had to do something with the last of his life that would be useful, and i think this was it. The look on snapes face when he killed dd was revolt and disgust, but this was revolt and disgust because dd was asking snape to kill him when he said "severus, please." So, i still think snape is a good guy

This post has been edited by mischief managed: Jun 9 2007, 01:44 AM

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

the reason snape does this is because he is mad at lily for telling james and sirius the spells becuase he knows she is the only one who could possibly (besides himself) know them.

My only argument against this is that it doesn't appear that at that time she spoke to any of the Marauders very much. But, we don't know that for certain. She may have spoken to them frequently, it just doesn't appear that way in Snape's memory.

As for the prophesy... the reason voldy told lily she could have her live spared... is because snape pleeded to voldy to let her live because he loves her.

Perhaps, but like I said above, would Snape have begged the Dark Lord to spare the Mudblood he loved? That would be quite a bold and brave move.

[Hermione@13]

Yes, exactly why I think that Snape really did go to the "good side" for a while, but realized how much the Dark side was more his taste. I think this is why DD really believes Snape. (it all start with Snape ditching V because he couldn't admit his love)

[whitewolf]

Snape loved Lily. They had a childhood friendship! His grew into love, hers, deep like. James was a jerk who treated others with care and had a learning curve. Sev was a jerk who treated other with contempt, and did not learn well; ie the way he treated Harry. His hated Harry because have reminded him that he was separated from Lily in life by James and in death by her choosing to die for him. The only person he hated more was Voldomort. (And come to think of it maybe Dumberdore) Voldomort killed Lily and Dumberdore failed to protect her. Maybe this was why he was willing to let them go heads-up with each other. In his mind they both killed Lily. In his heart he loved Lily, but that played out in his wizard head, as she was just a muggle-born, she was a possession. Voldomort saw her the same, as a pet or toy, that Snape wanted to keep. Neither, Snape nor Voldermort cared about James. Harry was Vol's objective and Lily was Snape's. He did not join DD until DD promise to help save Lily. DD was his back-up plan, in case Voldermort "forgot" his promise.
He regreted his telling Vol only because it cost him Lily. He helped DD because the only thing he felt more than his love Lily was his haterd for DD, Vol, and even in part Harry; except in the case of the latter, he too came to believe that Harry was the only person who could avenge Lily. To Snape, Lilly was his: whether it was love or obession, the results were he was on Harry's side in the end.

[Hollie]

so in the end it all boils down to himself.

The person he Hated most was himself.

He made all the wrong choices.

By joining the death eaters and being friendly with them in school it not only cost him the love of his life.. but the life he could of had with her.


it's his own fault really.