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> The Veil, something i noticed while rereading OotP
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:02 PM
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So while I was reading OotP again I got to the part where Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Neville, and Luna go to the department of mysteries. When they are looking for the right door to go through (in the circular room with the roatating walls) they go into the room with the veil. Luna says "there are people in there" while talking about the veil. So you know how Sirius fell through the archway when he died. Is he now inside the veil? And were the people whispering people who had walked through or fallen through the veil. And if you fall through the veil are you dead or trapped inside the veil, because if they can whisper then are they alive?


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post Dec 18 2005, 06:46 AM
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Yes, Sirius is inside the veil now. And I think he's dead. You remember when Harry's parents came out from LV's wand in book/movie 4? They talked even if they were spirits (dead), so why wouldn't the people in the veil do the same? And the other (dead) headmasters in the headmistress office does the same. I think it just adds something to the serie, when something like this happens.

So I think they all are dead, that are in the veil. But you don't know what JK's planning for the last book. 01:)
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post Feb 25 2006, 08:19 AM
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siriuses death is very important for the 7th book jk admited that she killed him for an important reason...
and its dose not " just adds something to the serie"
i think the people in the veil are not simply dead is more complicated...
its one of those things only someone who had witnesed death can see or hear...
luna said she heard them to during the final lunch or something...
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post Mar 2 2006, 07:44 PM
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personally, i think that the veil is the portal that connects the "underworld" to the real world. that's why it was in the department of mysteries, it was being studied. And so behind the veil is everyone who had ever died. i know it's kind of a shaky theory but if you think about it, it kind of makes sense.
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post Apr 27 2006, 07:57 PM
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  personally, i think that the veil is the portal that connects the "underworld" to the real world. that's why it was in the department of mysteries, it was being studied. And so behind the veil is everyone who had ever died. i know it's kind of a shaky theory but if you think about it, it kind of makes sense.



yeahh thats interesting I really hope we find out about it in the seventh book
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post Apr 27 2006, 08:21 PM
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Jo has said that Sirius's death was important for the seventh book, but I think his death will make us better understand different characters. Though I admit, I wasn't Sirius's biggest fan, so I haven't thought too much into it. But the veil, and all of the department of mysteries, I think, will come back into play in the seventh book.
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post Apr 28 2006, 04:47 AM
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I never though of it like that.

I suppose he could be alive.

But Luna said she heard people whispering, so maybe people

die but their spirit/soul remains? 10:unsure:

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post Jul 16 2006, 10:14 PM
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I personally think that the veil is merely a dimensional portal between two different worlds. My opinion is that the veil is used to communicate with people that have surrendered or were forced to death. THat is why...i think, Jo said Sirius played a big role in the 7th book. I think that somehow sirius or others of harry fallen friends will be able to talk to him through it.

Of course...this theory is quite far-fetched and may be outlandish and completely incorrect...but it was just a thought that occured to me.
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post Jul 21 2006, 07:32 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/crying.gif) In an interview Jo said that Sirius is indeed dead. I don't think that they will comunicate with Sirius in the future because we have to accept that he is really dead. I feel very sad to say this, but I don't believe he is completely useless being dead. Possibly, something like his mother's portrait will happen to him. Ok...I hope that doesn't happen. Something that makes more sense is that his memory will probably "live" like DD's.
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post Aug 28 2006, 05:38 AM
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QUOTE(alyria @ Mar 3 2006, 02:44 AM) [snapback]99138[/snapback]

personally, i think that the veil is the portal that connects the "underworld" to the real world. that's why it was in the department of mysteries, it was being studied. And so behind the veil is everyone who had ever died. i know it's kind of a shaky theory but if you think about it, it kind of makes sense.



yes... yeh i think you might be right! because it cant be every one wh o has ever fallen through because the number of people who have fallen through the veil must be quite small as its in the department of mysteries. but it must be a one way thing, - you can fall through, but not fall back again?
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post Sep 12 2006, 07:26 AM
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I think that the veil just holds the dead people spirits. I just wonder what will happen or what you will see if you open, break or look into the veil.
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post Sep 12 2006, 04:45 PM
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I have a very strong feeling that the veil will be a magor role in the 7th book. I could be wrong, but it just seemed to vaguely touched in OoTP for something that is so big.
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post Dec 30 2006, 01:19 PM
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Usually Rowling will bring back something that wasn't major previously in a more important moment, so that it was previously mentioned making you a little more accepting of it. For example, Harry speaking Parseltongue, or the Centaurs appearing both happening in the first book and then reappearing in the fifth book. Anything else casually intertwined with the plot of a previous book in a minor role could be far more significant in the final title, for example, something like the Hog's Head, Buckbeak, things like this.
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post Dec 31 2006, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE(1HPgirl @ Sep 12 2006, 04:45 PM) [snapback]110527[/snapback]
I have a very strong feeling that the veil will be a magor role in the 7th book. I could be wrong, but it just seemed to vaguely touched in OoTP for something that is so big.

I totally agree with you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) I think this room is called the death room for a reason. I think it is the one way in which Voldemort can be killed and his soul is held there. You know what Nick said...that a person becomes a ghost when they don't want to die. And if Voldemort doesn't want to die, and he becomes a ghost, he will have followers forever. So I think that the veil may be the way to hold the ghosts there - that's what Harry and Luna heard through the veil - the cries of the souls stuck in there. And once Voldemort is placed in there, the veil must be destroyed.
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post Dec 31 2006, 06:22 PM
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If they do destroy the Veil then they would have to destroy Sirius "inside" it, also! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) At least, if the souls are kept "in" there. What I think is that the Veil is sort of like the Dementor's Kiss. You're alive, but you have no purpose in life. You have an empty life and of course the more confusing way of saying it:you're living a dead life!

Actually, the question here for me is: where did the Veil come from? Did the Ministry make it to figure out a way to destroy V or did they make it on accident and not notice how powerful it was?
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post Dec 31 2006, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(Hermione@12 @ Dec 31 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]120346[/snapback]
If they do destroy the Veil then they would have to destroy Sirius "inside" it, also! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) At least, if the souls are kept "in" there. What I think is that the Veil is sort of like the Dementor's Kiss. You're alive, but you have no purpose in life. You have an empty life and of course the more confusing way of saying it:you're living a dead life!

Actually, the question here for me is: where did the Veil come from? Did the Ministry make it to figure out a way to destroy V or did they make it on accident and not notice how powerful it was?

I agree, and if it's Harry who has to destroy the veil, then imagine how hard it will be for him to do...it will be like killing Sirius as well... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Dec 31 2006, 07:20 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/footinmouth.gif) AHHHHH! Enough of this Sirius being killed talk! It's like losing him all over again! Anyway, I don't believe he's dead. Just under a lot of stress.
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post Jun 25 2007, 12:36 PM
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Get ready for a stupid question, what is the veil?
Is like an arch or something?
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post Jun 25 2007, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(You-Know-Poo @ Jun 25 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]129173[/snapback]
Get ready for a stupid question, what is the veil?
Is like an arch or something?

Yes, it's like an arch that's made of stone that has drapes, and it's located in the ministry of magic in the death room.
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post Jun 25 2007, 12:48 PM
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I just need this question cleared up, how did he fall through an arch?
It's been bothering me ever since I read the book the first time, is like at the bottom of something like an arena
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