Broomsticks to hogwarts, something i just noticed. Options

[Nossist]

Im not sure if this is a theory but it could lead to one.
I was reading HP book 6 and when harry and dumbledore are flying to the castle (the highest tower) dumbledore is muttering something which he was probably despelling all the protective magic he had set in the school so that they could get through the magic.
So now when i was reading HP book 1 i noticed that when Charlies friends go to the same tower to get norbert nothing happens to them.
is this because dumbledore set this magic over the school after Voldemort had returned and wanted to keep his students safe, but then wouldnt he have set the same magic when he found out that sirius black escaped from azkaban?
Why wasnt there any magic protecting the school on book 1 but there was magic protecting it on book 6?
(im not sure if this is a question or a theory)
could this lead to harry returning to hogwarts on his broom instead of going by train?

[potter_freak24]

I think that there was the securty charms on the school in book 1 and Dumbledore removed it when Charleys friends came to get Norbert.
If you remember Harry & Herm. was under the clock. And they left the clock up on the tower but he got it back. I believe that Dumbledore was on the tower too and saw them. I think it was a combo of wanting to make sure Norber left and curuois to see how far Harry would go to help a friend.
So as an answer to your question. Yes I believe there was securty charms on the school in book 1 and it was removed for Charleys friend

This post has been edited by potter_freak24: Jan 22 2007, 11:00 AM

[baty4potter]

Potter freak, please spell out all your words!!

[Hermione@13]

I think that there were no protective spells for the grounds in SS/PS only for the castle. Then in HBP DD set the extra-tight security measures on the castle and the grounds. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

[the_prisoner_of_...]

I think that there were no protective spells for the grounds in SS/PS only for the castle. Then in HBP DD set the extra-tight security measures on the castle and the grounds.

But Charlie flew onto the tower. Thats part of the castle. And I'm sure DD would have had protectiv spells in PS, to keep the stone safe at the very least.

But I'm also sure DD flew to London from Hogwarts in PS. Unless he carried the broom into say Hogsmeade and then set off. Because he couldn't have apporated from Hogwarts to London. (but then why not go from Hogsmeade to London)

[WickedWitchOfThe...]

Good catch, Nossist! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But I'm also sure DD flew to London from Hogwarts in PS. Unless he carried the broom into say Hogsmeade and then set off. Because he couldn't have apporated from Hogwarts to London. (but then why not go from Hogsmeade to London)

This is interesting! He did indeed fly to London, that's what it said. So, was it a broomstick that he took, a Threstral, or did he catch a ride with Fawkes? Honestly, I tend to think he took a Thestral if only because I imagine him looking so much cooler on top of a Thestral rather than on a broom, but I can't quite throw out the Fawkes possibility either. After all, Fawkes did give him that incredibly helpful lift in OOTP when Fudge and Co. were there.

[iareaj]

hey, this is a good one! how did they manage to get to that tower!
well, I agree with potter freak, maybe DD knew about norbetçrt and all, and removed his security spells. so theycould enter!
an, of course, i think that in HBP there were more spells around the castle...

[potter_freak24]

hey, this is a good one! how did they manage to get to that tower!
well, I agree with potter freak, maybe DD knew about norbetçrt and all, and removed his security spells. so theycould enter!
an, of course, i think that in HBP there were more spells around the castle...

Thank you.
I don't remember what book it was I think it was CS. That Harry said (along these lines) that somehow Dumbledore always seemed to know what was going on at Hogwarts. And I think he would notice Hargids change in personality and him neglecting his game keeper duties.
So yeah I stay with that there are charms on Hogwarts in all the books. And that Dumbledore removed them so Charleys friends could get norbert.
And something I just remember. Hermione keeps talking about Hogwarts, the History and about the charms that are on the castle. like that if muggles look at Hogwarts it looks like ruins. And in PofA Snape says that you can't disappear in Hogwarts.
So there has to be charms and such on the castle.

[iareaj]

and in order of the phoenix, snape told harry that there were spells to protect not only the castle's walls, but the students whithin it, too. I think he told harry this when he was learning occlumensy.

[Hollie]

when harry and dumbledore left the castle to go to the cave.. dumbledore said himself somewhere when harry was shouting at him...that he puts extra protection around the castle when he leaves the grounds

i believe that one of the enchantments is a spell that stops people from flying into the grounds.

But I also believe that he only uses that spell now that it is official voldemort is back.

because:

Charlies friends fly in in HP1

Harry and Ron fly in useing the Car in HP2

Sirius and Buckbeak escape in HP3

Harry and co. fly to london on thestrals in HP5

so yeh thats why i think it was a one of spell..maybe dumbledore had a bad feeling..

or (this idea literally just came to me) dumbledore knows about Dracos plan to kill him soo... he must put that enchantment around the school incase any death eaters try and get in to help malfoy. He truly believed that no one could get in or out of the school whilst he was gone,

[Fizzing_Whizzbee]

I'm inclined to think the new protective spell was a recent addition.

As it was pointed out, there was nothing to stop Charlie's friends from flying onto the grounds to collect the dragon or when Harry and Ron arrived by the car. Examples were given of people leaving the school as well. I wouldn't think the spells would want to keep people in, just keep them out.

In "Prince" though, when Tonks is escorting Harry to the castle, she says there have been extra enchantments added by Dumbledore because Harry suggested climbing over the gate rather than wait to be let in.

I don't recall any mention of extra protection in "Phoenix", though I wouldn't doubt it is there. However, it isn't until "Prince" that Dumbledore starts leaving the castle much more frequently in search of memories/Horcruxes. Because of this, it would make sense to provide extra enchantments. Officially, the added enchantments are there so the Ministry and parents will feel as if precautions are being taken to protect the students in general. However, I think they are cover to allow Albus to leave the school.

This post has been edited by Fizzing_Whizzbee: Jul 9 2009, 09:46 AM