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> Is Neville Longbottom actually the "Chosen One?", What does that prophecy actually mean?
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post Feb 10 2007, 01:46 PM
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The prophecy as revealed by Dumbledore to Harry says that Voldemort will mark a boy as "his equal." I contend that this has not yet happened. The baby Harry was never considered by Voldemort to be "an equal." In fact, the juvenile Harry is still not considered an equal by Voldemort, who considers Harry's multiple escapes to be either luck or the result of Lily's protection.

Dumbledore, who believed that one's choices, rather than one's abilities, determine the outcome of one's life, erred when he decided that Voldemort had already decided the prophecy by scarring Harry as a baby. Neville Longbottom, although lacking ability, has demonstrated his choice to be Voldemort's mortal enemy.

Should Voldemort mark Neville (or Harry) during the fights to come in the Deathly Hallows book, THEN (and only then) will Voldemort have marked either boy as "an equal." Neville, in his herbology, also has a "power of which the Dark Lord knows not."

In my humble opinion, the jury is still out on whom the mortal enemy of Voldemort is. Of course, I could be wrong :-).

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post Feb 10 2007, 04:47 PM
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according to mugglenet.com "The prophecy refers to Harry, and not in any way to Neville" http://www.mugglenet.com/books/futurebooks...k7/rumors.shtml there is the site page.
sorry but no not neville. I thought that too til i read it on mugglenet
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post Feb 10 2007, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(potter_freak24 @ Feb 10 2007, 04:47 PM) [snapback]122490[/snapback]
...sorry but no not neville. I thought that too til i read it on mugglenet


Mugglenet may say it, but I've yet to have confirmed anywhere else that it was Rowling who said so.
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post Feb 13 2007, 05:20 AM
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QUOTE(CathodeCathay @ Feb 11 2007, 02:14 PM) [snapback]122499[/snapback]
IMOH, the jury is still out on who the mortal enemy of Voldemort must be. Of course, I could be wrong :-).


Just wondering, what does IMHO mean. Does it mean emo like goth or something else? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Feb 13 2007, 06:56 AM
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IMHO means... In My Humble Opinion
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post Feb 13 2007, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(CathodeCathay @ Feb 10 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]122488[/snapback]
IMOH, the jury is still out on who the mortal enemy of Voldemort must be. Of course, I could be wrong :-).

Please spell out ALL your words, everyone doesn't have English as their native language, and doesn't know what the shortcuts means... That includes me.

You are new here, so I won't edit the post this time, but please spell out all words in the future. Thanks!
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post Feb 13 2007, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Nina79 @ Feb 13 2007, 01:14 PM) [snapback]122549[/snapback]
Please spell out ALL your words, everyone doesn't have English as their native language, and doesn't know what the shortcuts means... That includes me.

You are new here, so I won't edit the post this time, but please spell out all words in the future. Thanks!


You got it, Nina79! Now share with us YOUR opinion on whether Neville might be the "chosen one!" Thanks!
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post Feb 14 2007, 08:00 AM
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I don't think Neville is the chosen one, otherwise Lord Voldemort would have tried to kill him, not Harry.
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post Feb 15 2007, 10:11 PM
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Jo has had this to say on the subject:

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FAQ Poll Question answer. May 16th.

What is the significance of Neville being the other boy to whom the prophecy might have referred?


Finally, I am answering the poll question! I am sorry it has taken so long, but let me start by saying how glad I am that this was the question that received the most votes, because this was the one that I most wanted to answer. Some of you might not like what I am going to say but I'll address that issue at the end of my response!

To recap: Neville was born on the 30th of July, the day before Harry, so he too was born 'as the seventh month dies'. His parents, who were both famous Aurors, had 'thrice defied' Voldemort, just as Lily and James had. Voldemort was therefore presented with the choice of two baby boys to whom the prophecy might apply. However, he did not entirely realise what the implications of attacking them might be, because he had not heard the entire prophecy. As Dumbledore says:

'He [the eavesdropper]only heard the beginning, the part foretelling the birth of a boy in July to parents who had thrice defied Voldemort. Consequently, he could not warn his master that to attack you would be to risk transferring power to you.'

In effect, the prophecy gave Voldemort the choice of two candidates for his possible nemesis. In choosing which boy to murder, he was also (without realising it) choosing which boy to anoint as the Chosen One to give him tools no other wizard possessed the scar and the ability it conferred, a magical window into Voldemort's mind.

So what would have happened if Voldemort had decided that the pure-blood, not the half-blood, was the bigger threat? What would have happened if he had attacked Neville instead? Harry wonders this during the course of 'Half-Blood Prince' and concludes, rightly, that the answer hinges on whether or not one of Neville's parents would have been able, or prepared, to die for their son in the way that Lily died for Harry. If they hadn't, Neville would have been killed outright. Had Frank or Alice thrown themselves in front of Neville, however, the killing curse would have rebounded just as it did in Harry's case, and Neville would have been the one who survived with the lightning scar. What would this have meant? Would a Neville bearing the lightning scar have been as successful at evading Voldemort as Harry has been? Would Neville have had the qualities that have enabled Harry to remain strong and sane throughout all of his many ordeals? Although Dumbledore does not say as much, he does not believe so: he believes Voldemort did indeed choose the boy most likely to be able to topple him, for Harry's survival has not depended wholly or even mainly upon his scar.

So where does this leave Neville, the boy who was so nearly King? Well, it does not give him either hidden powers or a mysterious destiny. He remains a 'normal' wizarding boy, albeit one with a past, in its way, as tragic as Harry's. As you saw in 'Order of the Phoenix,' however, Neville is not without his own latent strengths. It remains to be seen how he will feel if he ever finds out how close he came to being the Chosen One.

Some of you, who have been convinced that the prophecy marked Neville, in some mystical fashion, for a fate intertwined with Harry's, may find this answer rather dull. Yet I was making what I felt was a significant point about Harry and Voldemort, and about prophecies themselves, in showing Neville as the also-ran. If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same name) becomes the catalyst for a situation that would never have occurred if it had not been made. Harry is propelled into a terrifying position he might never have sought, while Neville remains the tantalising 'might-have-been'. Destiny is a name often given in retrospect to choices that had dramatic consequences.

Of course, none of this should be taken to mean that Neville does not have a significant part to play in the last two novels, or the fight against Voldemort. As for the prophecy itself, it remains ambiguous, not only to readers, but to my characters. Prophecies (think of Nostradamus!) are usually open to many different interpretations. That is both their strength and their weakness.
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post Feb 16 2007, 01:31 AM
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IMHO means... In My Humble Opinion


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post Feb 16 2007, 04:38 PM
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CRM, I have no problem with a person posting a one-liner to say thank you to someone. But please, next time, could you please leave your long sig out of it. For now I'm going to edit it out, but it's kind of long for a two word post. Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 16 2007, 09:07 PM
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I'm sorry WWW, I actually never knew you could edit out your signature, I've just noticed the little box which you can tick now! So from now on I'll edit it out for short posts and I'll try and shorten it too! Sorry for all the inconvenience! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Feb 16 2007, 11:09 PM
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That's no problem, Hun! I usually leave my signature out of posts, so it's a force of habit for me to leave it off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Okay, back to the topic. Though I think it may have been answered in my post last night. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Mar 6 2007, 08:34 PM
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Jk Rowling herself has said that it isn't Neville, it's Harry. There prophesy says that the Dark Lord with mark him as his equal, and by choosing Harry, he sealed the fate: Harry was the chosen one, not Neville. Harry and Neville both met all the requirements, except for one... the one Neville didn't meet. Voldemort chose Harry to be his nemesis by trying to kill him. He set the path for the future... a future that doens't involve Neville Longbottom.
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no, because voldemort chose Harry not Neville.
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