would you consider snape a bad guy? Options

[maxis.m1028]

Would you consider snape to be bad? He did help Harry and was truly faithful to the order but he was really rude (being the nice way to put it) to harry , sirius, and all of the gryffindors. The part that i remember most is when malfoy tries to curse harry but it hits hermione instead causing her teeth to grow and when harry shows snape he says he sees no difference. EVIL!

[Perseus_Evans]

Baty... I wasn't going to point out your changing opinion on Snape, since I've seen you go from "He's alright, really..." to "Hate him... Hope Hagrid gets a hold of him..." to the best of all "Love him, but don't like him."

But that's my point on how effective the character was. You were supposed to lose faith in him. We all were supposed to participate in Harry and the rest's hatred of him for killing DD.

The amazing thing is that every book had the "reread" factor. What I mean is that the second time around you'd see all the little things you missed, and think... "I should have known..." I.E. Moody and the polyjuice potion... Lupin as a werewolf...

But with Snape, she achieved that feeling across the series. Upon my reread, I saw Snape in a different light. Frankly I started to see his point of view of Harry. Here's a kid who represents the greatest mistake of his life. Of course he's going to have trouble keeping perspective, but at the end of the day, he still kept his word and protected him, despite the similarity in look to his arch enemy, the man who married his only true love. I saw him make his half-hearted attempts with Harry, and gave him credit for trying ("Good luck today Potter, although after a mountain troll a round of quidditch should be easy, even if it is against Slytherin")

I saw Snape's humiliation at knowing Harry had dived into his pensieve full of memories, and sympathized with his refusal to continue the occlumency fiasco.

And for some reason, the duel with McGonnagal was a huge moment for me, knowing that he was desperately trying to help, but enduring her shouts of cowardice, even though he'd refused to use any dark spells against her. I realized that moment was the ultimate cause of his death. Had he had the opportunity to talk to Harry at that moment, he might never have had to return to Voldy's side...

This post has been edited by Perseus_Evans: Mar 6 2008, 12:17 PM

[baty4potter]

Baty... I wasn't going to point out your changing opinion on Snape, since I've seen you go from "He's alright, really..." to "Hate him... Hope Hagrid gets a hold of him..." to the best of all "Love him, but don't like him."

But that's my point on how effective the character was. You were supposed to lose faith in him. We all were supposed to participate in Harry and the rest's hatred of him for killing DD.

The amazing thing is that every book had the "reread" factor. What I mean is that the second time around you'd see all the little things you missed, and think... "I should have known..." I.E. Moody and the polyjuice potion... Lupin as a werewolf...

But with Snape, she achieved that feeling across the series. Upon my reread, I saw Snape in a different light. Frankly I started to see his point of view of Harry. Here's a kid who represents the greatest mistake of his life. Of course he's going to have trouble keeping perspective, but at the end of the day, he still kept his word and protected him, despite the similarity in look to his arch enemy, the man who married his only true love. I saw him make his half-hearted attempts with Harry, and gave him credit for trying ("Good luck today Potter, although after a mountain troll a round of quidditch should be easy, even if it is against Slytherin")

I saw Snape's humiliation at knowing Harry had dived into his pensieve full of memories, and sympathized with his refusal to continue the occlumency fiasco.

And for some reason, the duel with McGonnagal was a huge moment for me, knowing that he was desperately trying to help, but enduring her shouts of cowardice, even though he'd refused to use any dark spells against her. I realized that moment was the ultimate cause of his death. Had he had the opportunity to talk to Harry at that moment, he might never have had to return to Voldy's side...

I totally agree and would not ever deny my flip flop of Snape. I always loved the character, but didn't like Snape as a person no matter what the end result. I could see his resentment of Harry and could even see him treating him horrible, but that still didn't excuse his actions towards other students.

He was a sad character, whose resentment of the world led him to act the way he did. He really needed counseling. lol