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 Jul 4 2004, 04:58 AM
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My mind works over time when it comes to HP but here's a thought thats in my head.
Could Dumbledore be Voldermorts father, it would explain why voldermort feard him so much plus at the end of OTP he couldnt kill his own son when voldermort took over harrys body. :ron: |
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Jul 4 2004, 05:01 AM
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Hugest HP Fan  Group: Members Posts: 3,797 Joined: 29-May 04 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 186 |
no, because toms an orphan, and he used his fathers bones in the potion in GoF.
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Jul 4 2004, 08:31 AM
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Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 20-May 04 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 157 |
Maybe his mum had an affair with a certain auburn-haired Transfiguration teacher and told her husband(or partner, whatever) that the baby was his...
Wait no, that wouldn't work because Voldemort's embodiment spell wouldn't have worked if the bones weren't actually of the father. |
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Jul 4 2004, 09:10 AM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 4,050 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Southampton, United Kingdom. Member No.: 23 |
Dumbledore didnt kill Voldemort at the end of OOTP when he was possessing Harry, because that would have resulted in Harry's death and therefore since Dumbledore knew Harry was everyone's only hope, he couldnt do it.
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Jul 4 2004, 11:26 PM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,001 Joined: 24-February 04 From: England Member No.: 37 |
But can Dumbledore kill Harry? I thought it was only Voldemort. And about the posessing thing, no matter how many times i read OotP, i just don't get the whole posession thing.
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 Jul 12 2004, 02:17 PM
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HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 136 Joined: 1-July 04 From: Dublin, Ireland Member No.: 421 |
:huh: It is very confussing, I also think the prediction is very confusing thing. If Jk doesn't wrap up these books properly I'll probally do nuts! :badptr:
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Jul 12 2004, 02:55 PM
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HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 185 Joined: 1-June 04 Member No.: 201 |
yeah in the possesing part i got really scarred when harry just said and i knew i was dead, i really panicked! i thought he really was dead, but i was thinking why did she write i new i was dead??? if any of this makes sense to anyone i will be very suprised!
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Jul 12 2004, 03:34 PM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 4,050 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Southampton, United Kingdom. Member No.: 23 |
What? Harry cant be killed, only by Voldy? i suppose it could work both ways |
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Jul 12 2004, 06:26 PM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,001 Joined: 24-February 04 From: England Member No.: 37 |
"either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives"
JK has said that she and Trelawney worded the prohecy extremely carefully. Either must *die* at the *hand* of the other... sounds like just Voldemort can kill Harry. |
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Jul 12 2004, 07:14 PM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Admin Posts: 9,278 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 2 |
Mort, one more time....... IT'S AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! :P |
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Jul 12 2004, 09:27 PM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 3,774 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 20 |
It seems to me (according to the prophecy) that ONLY Voldemort can kill Harry and ONLY Harry can kill Voldemort...as Loonymort said...
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Jul 12 2004, 11:58 PM
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Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Australia Member No.: 16 |
The prophecy's meaning, even though it sounds straightforward, must be a play on words/riddle. Can anyone suggest what it could mean other than one must kill the other? I wonder if it's in the 'either' or 'neither'? Could 'hand of the other' possibly mean a third person such as Wormtail, and not Harry or Voldemort, as we've led ourselves to believe?
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Jul 13 2004, 07:54 AM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,001 Joined: 24-February 04 From: England Member No.: 37 |
i'm sure you're aware of this Bunny but "at the hand of the other" can only refer to one of the two. Whereas "hand of ANother" would have been totally different. However, the "neither can live while the other survives" is still most intriguing. That can still be interpreted in a number of ways.
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Jul 13 2004, 08:35 AM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 4,050 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Southampton, United Kingdom. Member No.: 23 |
Mort DONT read my fanfic. :angel:
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Jul 13 2004, 08:37 AM
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Big HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Australia Member No.: 16 |
Thanks Loonymort, yes I am aware but am trying to think of all possibilities including a bit of trickery with words.
I put down a theory once that works in well with the 'neither can live while the other survives'. I went like this: In the failed attempt to kill Harry, some vital part of Voldemort entered Harry via his scar and this part is trying desperately to get out and back to it's owner (much like the One Ring in LOTR wanting to get back to Sauron)......that's why Harry gets massive scar-aches whenever Voldemort is near. And thus Voldemort can't live a normal life without his missing part and Harry can't live a normal life with an extra spare part (gotta laugh......it sounds funny now). Whatever happens, JKR will not allow her beloved Harry to become a murderer so let's think of other ways that he can be vanquished??? |
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Jul 13 2004, 04:43 PM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Admin Posts: 9,278 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 2 |
This brings me back to a theory of mine. When DD was fighting V in OOTP he was very calm and kept calling V Tom. In my Opinion, I think that a cool head and kindness could help Harry deal with Voldemort, and thus defeat him. I don't think Voldemort can take cool, calm, and collected attitude. |
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Jul 13 2004, 08:44 PM
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Huge HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 1,001 Joined: 24-February 04 From: England Member No.: 37 |
How do you define a murderer? This is the scenario, Voldemort will not *survive* at the end of Book 7 meaning that Harry has *ended* him. Trying to be as vague as possible with the words, doesn't that mean that however it happens, Harry will have murdered Voldemort? It's like being tried for murder in court, the actus reus isn't mandatory whereas the mens rea is.
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Jul 14 2004, 12:24 AM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Texas Member No.: 32 |
Uhh... Supermort would you mind rephrasing that in English? Seriously, I would not see Harry as a murderer if he killed V. Even the Aurors were allowed to use the Unforgivables against the DE's. Would you put me on trial for murder if Jack the Ripper was coming at me with a knife? I feel sorry for the burden on Harry, but if he has to do it, he can and will! |
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Jul 14 2004, 03:57 AM
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Hugest HP Fan Group: Members Posts: 4,050 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Southampton, United Kingdom. Member No.: 23 |
Those are law terms.
Mans rea i *think* means acting without a motive? MORT HAS BEEN WATCHING LEGALLY BLONDE! |
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Jul 14 2004, 05:52 AM
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Greatest HP Fan That Ever Lived Group: Admin Posts: 9,278 Joined: 21-February 04 Member No.: 2 |
:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: You gave me a good laugh with that one :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: Actually I don't think Harry would be convicted of anything. I think we are addressing two different things when it comes to murder, and fighting a battle against evil. This is like war, and I think that's how it will be approached when it comes to HARRY taking control of Voldemort and doing what is best. Bets still on Mort!!!! :P |
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