lots of spec about the new Hogwarts headmaster, but what about the Order of Pheonix Leader.
maybe Harry will step up? He knows more about LV than the other now.......

Don't think Lupin, he gotta be off with the wolfs a whole lot.
Tonks not powerful enough
Who is there????????
any ideas

I woiuld suspect that while McGonagall might take the reigns of leadership for the order, I think it will more or less be a ceremonial position (kind of like the Queen of England...figurehead but no real power).

Instead, I look for it to be more of a Senate type thing. Perhaps a few of the older, more powerful members (such as Moody, Lupin, etc) will have a little more swagger in what they say, but by in large it will probably be a "come together and keep everyone informed" deal.

I'd go with Moody. Strong personality. Excellent Auror skills. Unquestionably faithful to the Order.

Not as charismatic or powerful as Dumbledore, but more or an activist and hands on. Yep...I'd give the reins to Mad-Eye

The order will be in chaos! Dumbledore was an assumed leader of everything he did!

It would be funny if Snape was good and lead the order

I'm for Lupin.

Moody is not a leader, just a fighter, and McGonagal is going to be very busy at Hogwarts now DD is dead. Tonks is too young and, despite his little problem, Lupin seems the most appropiate person to command the order.

but what about Lupin's task re: the werewolves? I think book 7 is going to have him leading the front against the werewolves, probably w/ a fight between himself and that leader of the werewolves who I think bit him as a kid...any thoughts?

as for leader of the order, hmm...I think I lean towards Moody as well, but w/ Lupin and McGonagall at his side as advisors...but another question: where will HQ be? think they'll return to 12 GP? maybe Godric's Hollow?

ooh ooh someone in another thread threw out there that the Burrow could become HQ...definitely a possibility... :)

wouldn't it be crazy if Hogwarts became HQ?

I read this somewhere but sorry can't remember.

Ms Rowling stated that a member of the Order that we have heard of but don't know a great deal about will be very important in book 7.

The leader of the order would have to be extremely POWERFUL not that there's anyone to equal Dumbledore but my guess would be Moody.

Lupin's being a werewolf makes him unpredictable. I can't see either Arthur or Molly as they are simply too busy and too vulnerable. Mc Gonagall is a possibility but she'll have her hands full at Hogwarts. I guess we don't know all that much about the others.

Incidently Snape is still a loyal member of the Order (ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED) but he'll be too busy spying on Voldemort and the Death Eaters.

I think #12 Grimmauld Place will still be the headquarters for the Order.

I'm pretty sure that was in the mugglenet/leakycauldron interview.

And I totally agree with everything you just said twestann. Exactly what I was thinking.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Bill Weasley end up as the head of the order.

He was head boy, has major goblin contacts, and now that he's been disfigured, he may want to be more behind the scenes anyway.

Yes he's young, but I have a feeling that he'll have some limited werewolf abilities that will make him powerful.

It's a longshot.

Besides, the frontrunner is probably Moody anyway...

i was thinking moody myself.

Maybe Kingsly Shacklebolt, he's an auror so he must be powerful enough to maybe help harry or something

If you look at who was in moody's picture, one of the few that are still alive and in the order, and that we haven't heard from, is Aberforth (DD's brother and barttender for Hog's Head). It's very possible that Aberforth is nearly as powerful (he just hasn't shown it) could take over.

Go KINGSLEY GO!

Nah but seriously I reckon it's definitely gonna be Mad-Eye Moody, as he is the most experienced in catching Dark wizards and has fought countless battles alongside Dumbledore, giving him good judgement and leadership skills. Though Lupin wouldn't be a bad choice either.

Thanks hpdork----that is where I read it.

just like when she became heeadmistress, minerva mcgonagoll will be the leader

i like the Alberforth theory, but i dunno. Moody doesn't seem powerful enough, though he is probably the frontrunner at the moment.
JK has said a little known member of the order will play a big part, so maybe Kingsley?
i dunno

technically, wouldn't Aberforth fall into "little known member of the Order?" I know we haven't ever seen him turn up at HQ, but that doesn't mean he isn't active...I'd very much like to see him step up to the plate - I'd be especially interested in how JKR will characterize him as Albus DD's brother and yet they've gotta have some differences...maybe Aberforth is more shy? or wouldn't it be funny if he didn't like kids whereas Albus loved them? ha would make for some funny scenes between him and Harry, if they wind up working together...ok rambling over :)

I agree, I think the order will be in ruins, and unable to run as effectively. If this happens then, It will be of great importance that Ron .Harry, and Hermione find the other horcruxes and put an end to LV. It all makes sense.

Kingsley. It makes too much sense.

do they really need someone to run them?

couldnt they do just as well runing it together?

dumbledore was always almost a supreme being.. he listened to what the order had to say and then decided on what to do.

couldnt the order decide together?

Methinks Lupin! I don't think Moody is a great candidate. All we really know about him is that he is a great Auror. All the stuff about him in GoF was just some fake! And besides the very fact that he was overcome so easily makes me think he is perhaps too weak and past his prime.

While Lupin has many shortcomings being a big werewolf and all he is the last person that Harry can console his feelings with, well about his parents anyway because Lupin will be the last of James's band of friends...bar Peter ofcourse...

And Lupin is so cool! Everyone loves him!!!

well it could be someone we haven't seen before. there anre more people in order than we commonly see. if you remember the photo mad eye gave to harry. i don't think DD's brother will be a leader of order. to be in order you at least must be able to read. DD's brother doesn't how to read. DD said this in one of the books . remeber people there was a warrant issued for him but he told harry he did not hide from the dementors b/c he could read the sign posted something about himself,

Kingsly Shacklebolt was my first instinct but I think that Aberforth is a great theory too.

I can't wait until she writes Harry and Aberforth's introduction.

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i'd love it if he did, would really give hima confidence boost.
but i doubt it.

Well DD was the secret keeper, so they will have to get a new secret keeper.
I think Mad-Eye may be a gd choice, he is totally bonkers and I think it would be fun to have him as Leader. Remember when he told Harry off for puttin his wand in his back pocket-just incase he blew his butt off.

im starting to think that the order won't really last.

Harry will work with members of the order, but without DD it can't sustain itself.

no one else is powerful or carismatic enough to step up.

but if anyone i think alberforth is best theory

I think Aberforths character so far isnt the type to want to run an orgonisation like OotP. I think it will last, because all the members want it to. Maybe it will not be as strong at first but it will last.

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But in 'The Other Minister' didn't we find out that Kingsley is on assignment protecting the muggle prime minister? Would he really be able to run the order while being submerged in the muggle world?

I think Aberforth is a bit of a longshot. We don't really know anything about him and I can't see him being important.

I see maybe Mad-Eye or a Weasley heading up the order. Kingsly is an interesting choice too. This is one thing I cannot make up my mind about.

Yeah, but Kingsley can be re-assigned. They dont have to keep the same people on the same job. We found that out when Harry got to HWs and was told Tonks and others had been re-asigned

we really don't know anything about Kingsly or Alberfoth, so it will be interesting if they just ste up to lead the order.
maybe she will go for someone we know. Moody seems the most likely of the people we know. (Though can you really say we know Moddy? We only saw Crouch's son)

Maybe it will be Harry?

i wonder if the Order will support harry in his quest for the horcruxes. if so it would be logical for him to lead them.

but i don;t know if he will want to tell them anything. he didn't want to tell mcGonagall at the end of this book.

He could when he comes of age but who will do it before he does? I really don't think harry is ready to lead the Order before he comes of age....

My votes:

1st: Kingsley

2nd: Moody

3rd: Arthur

4th: Lupin

Didn't Dumbledore hint that Aberforth can't read in the 4th book?

I dont think Harry is the type to 'lead'. I think he would like the OotP back up but I think Moody or Lupin will take over.
And we learnt a little more about Moody in OotP, and his worry about putting wands in the back of your trousers!

I don't thiink Harry will have anything to do with the order in the next book.

They will do their thing, and HJarry will go off looking for the horcruxes with Ron and Hermione (Maybe Giny).

So i reckon he won't lead it.
not sure who will

the order will probably still exist but i dont think they will elect another person as a true leadership role (as crazy as it may sound ). the order never really seemed like it was that large of a group to begin with, and i think it will function just fine with the people are most activly involved. they seem perfecly capable to work together and come up with decisions together to the point where a leader isnt necesarry. it may even be true that no one will want to take that responsibility anyway.

also as a side note...i cant really see the order growing any bigger now that DD is dead. people may loose faith in the order without him being involved anymore.

There is a large power vacuum here, as there never seemed to be anybody other than DD as a leader. It's anyone's guess as to whether a leader steps up, the Order dissolves or Harry takes things into his own hands. I dunno.

Call me blond, but I didn't know that they had a leader. "Wake up!"

Well, since they apparently had a leader, I guess the next possible canidate would be Moody or Mr. Weasley. I'm leaning more towards Moody because he is more wiser than Weasley.

And I doubt Harry will be a leader. They would be putting to much pressure on the poor guy. He already has the wizarding world on his shoulder. But I think they will include Harry more, now that he is of age.
Oh, and that's another reason I doubt it will be Harry. Because he is too young. He just barely turned 17.




Then again, age is only a number in some cases.

I like all the theories and frankly think they are all correct to the following extent - there is now a huge power vacuum and various leaders and strong wizards will step up in interim laedership roles. But the effort will still be fractured by lack of information and confusion. Who can solve that? Who did Dumbledore confide the most important theories to? Harry! Make no mistake, he is the heir apparent just from the standpoint that NOONE else stands a chance against LV. Harry wanted to be an Auror - can you say King of the Aurors! People have pointed out that Harry "is a wizard of no greaat skill or ability" - baloney! Whether it's luck, or being surrounded by good people, or stange powers and as-yet-unrecognized inner resources, Harry has got what it takes and DD knows/knew it. DD said your life is more important than MINE (himself, DD, the leader of the OotP, and yet Harry is more important!).

Harry will be a unifying force within the roken and confused Order - he will rally the group to their ultimate purpose. Not teaching or working at the Ministry or whatever else they have been doing at their day jobs . . . this is a full on fight now and I for one think Harry will step up to the plate and become the leader he was destined to be.

I hope.

But the order will need a secret keeper, and it will have to be someone who would never tell LV the location even during torture or something. I think that an Auror will probably take the post as secret keeper as they will be the best to do it.

i don't think that lupin is going to be off with the 'wolfs' a whole lot because fernir now knows that lupin was with dumbldore.. right? unless he missed him in the little brawl during dumbledore's death...?

i personally think that if someone does end up 'leading' the order.. that it will be someone we 'know' really well.. i mean JKR isn't just going to throw someone into the books..is she? it would take forever for her to write the character so we would trust him/her.. right? so i think people are on the right track when they say that lupin.arthur.or even harry himself end up 'leading' them...

though, if it was Alberforth it wouldn't take JK long to make us respect him, we practically already do just because he is DD's brother.

But I think that the other members of the order wouldnt accept Aberforth straight away because they hardly know him. No one does.
I think to gain trust we will have to see him working for them with no regard for the 'job'.

Here is something slightly off topic, but related nonetheless, that I have been wondering about...

If DD was the OotP's secret keeper, as a now dead man, can anybody who knows the location of headquaters now reveal it... or is the magic still intact. Also, will a new secret keeper be elected?

I dont think the charm 'dies with him' but they will have to elect a new secret keeper. But Snape said that the magic stops him from revealing the location, so maybe there will be no new recruits until they have a secret keeper again.

i think it is likely that DD's death will have brought about the end of the OOTP for taht very reason.
He was the secret keeper, now he is dead, so the charm will be broken.