I think that Umbridge shouldn't have made Harry ingrave in his hand that he won't tell lies when he didn't even tell a lie about Voldemort comine back. It clearly wasn't a lie because Harry was there when he came back and he killed Cedric. Does anybody else feel anything???

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Yes i do i agree totally with you !!!! He did not lie!!

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Really, because Umbridge asked if Cedric just dropped dead.

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In general, for a book to be really successful, you must have a villian who is greater than the hero of the book. We were introduced to Professor Umbridge, she was "over" Harry, able to order him around.

She was EXTREMELY loyal to Fudge, and if Fudge said that Voldemort was not back, there was no way she would question it. Umbridge was placed in Hogwarts by Fudge to try to regain control over Harry and Dumbledore. If you look at the Ministry Decrees she posted, they were to try to stem the flow of information, and punish Harry for sayind Voldemort is back. By punishing Harry, she was also trying to influence Dumbledore as well.

The "quill" was just a choice of punishments she enjoyed, she also had Lee Jordan use it as well, even though he was not telling lies. Umbridge said that "pain" was an excellent teacher.

Umbridge was so desperate to try to silence Harry, she sent dementors after him and was willing to use an unforgivable curse on him. Umbridge was willing to kill Harry, to silence him. She also was willing to try to arrest Dumbledore and get rid of anyone loyal to him, in order to stop what she thought were baseless rumors.

She also had a very inflated opinion of her "self worth", she said she was more important than Harry when headed into the woods. She quoted the regulation and control of magical creatures at the centaurs, when trying to dominate them. For her, the law was the ultimate power, and those in "the right" would always win. Otherwise she never would have attacked a group of centaurs when she was clearly outnumbered.

From all we have seen, she is a deranged woman who never sould have been given the amount of authority she had. But her talent as a witch, and her unerroring loyalty had put her very high up within the ministry.

and we must think that, although we know that harry wasn't telling lies, she had other point of view (fudge's) and according to her and fudge's point of view, harry was telling lies.
and yes, she's the villian that always bring problems to the hero...

Yes, Umbridge has a rather high opinion of herself and only her overly excercised self-esteem could've given her the morale to make Harry write "I must not tell lies" with a quill that uses blood.

Actually, I bet she would have. She was such an idiot when it came to creatures that were half-human. She probably thought they were idiots like she thought Hagrid and anything else half-human was. A truly wonderful character, Umbridge.



In my opinion, I think Jo was spectacular when devising this instrument. Such a painful, yet subtletly clever method of punishment. I only wish that quill could have been put to some good use on Fudge, lol.

I think that in order for someone to enjoy bringing pain to someone else if messed up. If she would have made Harry write lines that were just normal I think that I could reason with her a little more. Because I think she honestly belived that Harry was telling lies and if you thought that someone was doing something awful on purpous, wouldnt you try and stop them?

Now I'm not saying she was right, or that I would like her any more, Im just saying that the quill was what made her truly evil if you have to put in that way.

In other words, denial, which I think she and Fudge were in.

And I think she was just blinded by greed and her position to make Harry write lines, and when they (Harry, Ron, Hermione, Neville etc.) got caught she nearly uses the Cruciatus (sp?) curse on Harry in her office. And she probably didn't want to lose her position as "Senior Under-Secretary to the Minister of Magic." (I think that's right...)

Has anyone noticed that there's always, I'll call them a mini villian, that torments Harry's life. Not as evil as Voldemort, but not as good as chocolate.

Umbridge was probably created by JKR, to reek havoc on Harry and his friend's life.

I'm betting that the quill was torture device, to get Harry to shut up.

Think about it, the world has been peachy keen for the last 15 years, and then this kid comes up and says that Voldemort's back. Try and see it from Umbridge's and Fudge's view, make the kid shut up, or let him create mass panic.

Was it right? No
Was it justifiable? Yes

I see that people are saying that making Harry write with this "blood quill" was what made Umbridge evil, but I don't agree somewhat. If it is a Dark instrument then I would have to agree, but what I think makes her evil is her trying to use an illegal curse.

I don't think that's it either though. It was her whole demeanor. The way she butted her nose in where it didn't belong. The way she tried to dictate over that school and all those within it. The way she used those she could for her own personal gain. The way she created a group of students to spy and rule over other students. The way she sent the Dementors to Little Whinging to try and get Harry out of the way. The way she was willing to perform an illegal curse on a child. The way she enjoyed the power she had over her co-workers. I mean, there are just so many things. Being as young as you are, you still don't realize that there isn't a simple way to define good and evil. You think that since that person did something bad that they're evil, but that may not be the case. Umbridge tried to perform Crucio on Harry because she felt she had no other recourse. But it wasn't just that that makes her a horrible person. Snape killed DD, but for all we know, it may have been exactly what DD wanted. And up till the end of HBP he still hadn't really hurt Harry. And if I were to track down, torture, maim and slowly kill somebody that touched one of my girls in the wrong way, I still wouldn't consider myself evil, though by your line of thinking I would be. It's more than one action that defines a person, and you will see that as you get older, but for now, you're still twelve and enjoying your innocence and childhood, as it should be.

To www..... HemHem..... Snape is well.... you don't need me to tell you what I think. ROFL

YAY! I like that:"innocence and childhood". LOL! Anyway, I think I understand what you're saying. I see that she is definitely bad, but...I don't know...it looks to me that being Dark is being evil, but maybe my blunt childish mind is taking over! LOL!

I think it was a cruel punishment, but i love how JKR turns it into something harry holds over the MoM's head!

Good Point WWW.
But I'm still going to agree with my opinion from before, but with different reasoning then before (I think, I can't really remember what I thought before).
The quill didn't really make her evil so much as manifest it, and not the quill itself but the actions the quill carried out, the cutting and whatnot. Like I said before, she truly believed in what she thought so in her mind what she was doing would be justified, just like you and your children. but if you took away the quill, she wouldn't seem so evil. She would be someone that mostly everyone would hate all the same, and a threat to the school because of her power.
Now at the end with the cruciatus, I was speechless. But I'm going off of everything before that molment. So we don't know that she sent the dementors to Little Winging, and she hasn't threatened anyone with illegal curses yet.
So right now she would just seem like a REALLY mean person.

Seems to me I remember Sirius (or someone) in one of the books telling Harry that people are not divided into groups according to "good" and "evil" but that people have the capacity for both.

As Dumbledore explained, it is our choices that define us.

I thought it ironic that the "I must not tell lies" scar on the back of Harry's hand helped him to continue making "good" choices through the remainder of his battle with Voldemort. It reminded him that he had to be true to what he believed was right: stopping old moldy Voldy.

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i dont think it is right about what she did but i dont think she thought it was wrong.
Because like fudge's mind was ;; her's was also warped by fear and the influence fudge had on her,
SO i think she thought what she was doing was wrong and that Harry Was telling a lie that she thought
ought not be told because it would create panic that wasnt nessicary. And she was looking out for fudge
because she was so loyal to him and didnt want to disapoint him in anyway what so ever.

Umbridge is evil and powerful, and despised anything against the Ministry. So, naturally, when Harry said Voldemort was back, and the Ministry had told her other-wise, then she took action. And Harry had to follow her rules (as everyone did) or risk further punishment.